Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread jan i
On Sunday, March 8, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 08/03/2015 Simon Phipps wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: What about actually doing something? That, sir, is insulting. If you want to propose a resolution, do so, but please do not

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 07/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: when one does not have access to the privileged conversations of the PMC, actions that use those conversations as justification appear hostile, as do dismissive PMC member reactions Well, if it is true (and it is true) that the private list

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: You are suggesting a usage pattern of the private list that is far beyond reality. I am not. I am pointing out there is no way for me to know, and that the strong reactions to Dave's original (modest reasonable)

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Dave Barton
, claimed a general lack of transparency within the project and I totally reject your suggestion that I have made any exaggerated claims or I am touting some kind of conspiracy theory. However, there was a failure of communication in the original PMC FAQ update thread. +100% Thank you Simon. What

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 08/03/2015 Simon Phipps wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: What about actually doing something? That, sir, is insulting. If you want to propose a resolution, do so, but please do not attempt to hand out jobs. Volunteering to do something is much more

RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
that would not resonate on dev@, user@, or the forums. -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 01:11 To: jan i Cc: dev Subject: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update Just realized, that many might jump

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 07/03/2015 jan i wrote: On 7 March 2015 at 01:55, Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: answer to your question on who is moderating the API list can readily be found at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6095 and needed no further discussion.

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti
jan i wrote: On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to discuss? Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing private@ Well look at the numbers, I did not publish the numbers for 2014, but you will

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread jan i
, 2015 01:11 To: jan i Cc: dev Subject: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update Just realized, that many might jump over the old subject. This issue is an important issue and should not be hidden behind another subject. rgds jan i. [ ... ] You

RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here. If you mean the over

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread jan i
On 7 March 2015 at 01:55, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote: OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has become clouded in misunderstanding and

community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread jan i
Just realized, that many might jump over the old subject. This issue is an important issue and should not be hidden behind another subject. rgds jan i. On 7 March 2015 at 10:03, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 7 March 2015 at 01:55, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7,

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Dave Barton
Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'll ask one more time. What action is expected here on dev@ to impact how the PMC uses private@ ? I don't think there is any action that can be taken on dev@ beyond pointing out to

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'll ask one more time. What action is expected here on dev@ to impact how the PMC uses private@ ? I don't think there is any action that can be taken on dev@ beyond pointing out to others here that, when one

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 06/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote: OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has become clouded in misunderstanding and mistranslated into some kind of bike-shedding subject. ...and misunderstood (or portrayed) as a transparency issue, when the answer to your question on

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote: OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has become clouded in misunderstanding and mistranslated into some kind of bike-shedding subject. ...and

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread jan i
On 6 March 2015 at 14:36, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 05/03/15 15:04, Louis Su�rez-Potts wrote: On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42,

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread Dave Barton
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 05/03/15 15:04, Louis Su�rez-Potts wrote: On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM,

RE: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-- replying below to -- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 06:03 To: dev Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update On 6 March 2015 at 14:36, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: [ ... ] OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has become clouded

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread jan i
On 6 March 2015 at 18:09, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: -- replying below to -- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 06:03 To: dev Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update On 6 March 2015 at 14:36, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: [ ... ] OK! One

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 05/03/15 15:04, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-06 Thread jan i
, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org javascript:; Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update [ ... ] If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the people. My concern is not so

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread jan i
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: jan i wrote: On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net javascript:; wrote: jan i wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Kay Schenk
moderators (easier to change but that could be a problem) Other suggestions? -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update [ ... ] If people want to tell the world what they do

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread jan i
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: jan i wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com javascript:; wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net javascript:; wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk

RE: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update [ ... ] If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the people. My concern is not so much having the list of names

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Barton
jan i wrote: On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: jan i wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com javascript:; wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net javascript:; wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Barton
Kay Schenk wrote: On 02/23/2015 02:17 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as e-mail moderators, wiki

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread jan i
On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. I see this page

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list moderators have been

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Barton
jan i wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. I see this

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I

PMC FAQ update

2015-02-23 Thread Kay Schenk
I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as e-mail moderators, wiki admins, or anything else. Thanks. -- - MzK An old horse for a long,

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-02-23 Thread jan i
On Monday, February 23, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as e-mail moderators, wiki admins, or anything else. Thanks. --

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-02-23 Thread jan i
Is there a reason why this mail is sent to both dev@ and private@ ? Mixing private and public mail lists is not really a good thing. rgds jan i On Monday, February 23, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. Please let us know if

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-02-23 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as e-mail moderators, wiki admins, or anything else. I'm pretty sure there are others - I

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-02-23 Thread Kay Schenk
On 02/23/2015 02:17 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as e-mail moderators, wiki admins, or anything