Re: Question to all developers and translators: How integrated should translation be ?

2013-09-06 Thread Dick Groskamp
after the deadline for translation has passed, for a builder/developer/admin to update ALL languages from POOTLE? I think with something like that we would have have ALL alterations into SVN at once. Mind you I have no idea how much work that would be, but it seems to me it gives some assurance

Re: Question to all developers and translators: How integrated should translation be ?

2013-09-06 Thread janI
have ALL alterations into SVN at once. Mind you I have no idea how much work that would be, but it seems to me it gives some assurance about the imported strings. -- DiGro ___ Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0 (Dutch) and scanned with Ziggo extended security (F-Secure

Re: Question to all developers and translators: How integrated should translation be ?

2013-09-06 Thread Mr. Phan Anh
What about let the customer choose it from the installation or after the the installation and integrate a menu command such as Apply Vietnamese. Both of those will need online. By far, the world is online. So, keeping this idea will avoid the problem, along with the function such as clip art. On

Re: Question to all developers and translators: How integrated should translation be ?

2013-09-06 Thread Rob Weir
from POOTLE? I think with something like that we would have have ALL alterations into SVN at once. Mind you I have no idea how much work that would be, but it seems to me it gives some assurance about the imported strings. -- DiGro ___ Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0

Re: Starting How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-08-18 Thread Ricardo Berlasso
/index.html Hope it helps ..!! On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:18 AM, www@gmx.ch wrote: hi, i want to start to help open Office . im new and i must be learn how open Office work. thanks for reading ata -- *timus*

Starting How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-08-17 Thread www.ata
hi, i want to start to help open Office . im new and i must be learn how open Office work. thanks for reading ata

Re: Starting How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-08-17 Thread sumit Murari
list, are discussed in the orientation modules: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html Hope it helps ..!! On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:18 AM, www@gmx.ch wrote: hi, i want to start to help open Office . im new and i must be learn how open Office work. thanks for reading ata

The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

2013-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
And update of data gathered from website visitors. Of the ones who come to our website from a search engine results list (and that is 48% of our total visitors), the top ten search queries, along with a count of recent visitors, are: 1. open office (326,369) 2. openoffice (213,374) 3. openoffice

Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

2013-08-16 Thread sebb
On 16 August 2013 12:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: And update of data gathered from website visitors. Of the ones who come to our website from a search engine results list (and that is 48% of our total visitors), the top ten search queries, along with a count of recent visitors, are:

Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

2013-08-16 Thread Ian Lynch
Surprised there is no 开放式办公 (Open Office in Chinese) given the population. Though on a recent trip to China I was surprised at how low the awareness was of AOO. On 16 August 2013 13:21, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 August 2013 12:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: And update

Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

2013-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
Though on a recent trip to China I was surprised at how low the awareness was of AOO. On 16 August 2013 13:21, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 August 2013 12:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: And update of data gathered from website visitors. Of the ones who come to our website

Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

2013-08-16 Thread Ian Lynch
finding our website. I only get stats for users who actually visit the website. If they search for something and don't find us, then we don't have a record of that. -Rob Though on a recent trip to China I was surprised at how low the awareness was of AOO. On 16 August 2013 13:21

Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

2013-08-16 Thread Marcus (OOo)
they hear about the name by ear? Or maybe this is just the pull of standard language rules. The noun is office and open is an adjective. It is hard to overcome years of schooling to think of an artificial name like OpenOffice. Or it's just how they read it from some press atricles. Very often

Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-08-03 Thread Joshua Gaines
Completed the How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works module -Josh G

Re: Not understanding how to link events to Extensions Options Page

2013-07-26 Thread Rajath Shashidhara
Hello, One thing I don't understand is when is external_event triggered? On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Rajath Shashidhara rajaths.raja...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have attached my options page design. I have three buttons, Edit, Delete and Add. I'm not understanding how to add

Re: Not understanding how to link events to Extensions Options Page

2013-07-26 Thread Oliver Brinzing
Hi Rajath, i am sending you an example extension via email Regards Oliver -- GnuPG key 0xCFD04A45: 8822 057F 4956 46D3 352C 1A06 4E2C AB40 CFD0 4A45 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For

Re: Not understanding how to link events to Extensions Options Page

2013-07-26 Thread Rajath Shashidhara
Hello Oliver, Thank you..! On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Oliver Brinzing oliver.brinz...@gmx.dewrote: Hi Rajath, i am sending you an example extension via email Regards Oliver -- GnuPG key 0xCFD04A45: 8822 057F 4956 46D3 352C 1A06 4E2C AB40 CFD0 4A45

Re: Not understanding how to link events to Extensions Options Page

2013-07-26 Thread Rajath Shashidhara
Hello, When I listening to button clicks using XActionListener, I receive an ActionEvent. ActionEvent has a string ActionCommand attribute. What are the values that actionCommand string can take? Any enumeration or constant group exists? the api reference says: he object that implements the

Re: How to get a list of commits between 2 revisions

2013-07-25 Thread Herbert Duerr
.atlassian.com How can I get a list of commits, that happen between r1384746 and r1388589? If you are using svn directly do svn log -r 1388589:1384746 in your repository. Or if were using git-svn you could use the wonderful gitk tool or its relatives like qgit. Herbert

Re: How to get a list of commits between 2 revisions

2013-07-25 Thread Regina Henschel
that range in https://fisheye6.atlassian.com How can I get a list of commits, that happen between r1384746 and r1388589? If you are using svn directly do svn log -r 1388589:1384746 in your repository. Or if were using git-svn you could use the wonderful gitk tool or its relatives like qgit

Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-07-24 Thread Balaji Arun
Hello everyone I have completed reading How the Apache OpenOfice Project Works Page. Balaji Arun Sent from Windows Mail

How can I find the method of some functions in source code

2013-07-05 Thread Yi
Hi all, How can I find the method of some functions in source code, such as Insert Comment in Writer, I found it was so difficult to find the method in source code, who can give me a hint? Yi

Re: How new developers get started

2013-07-03 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi all, 2013/5/13 Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com Hi Kay, Hi all, 2013/5/13 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com I think Guy's idea has merit, but...it would be difficult for us to predict where our next developer might be. It's not my own idea. It's largely inspired from Eric

Re: How new developers get started

2013-07-03 Thread janI
On 3 July 2013 09:12, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, 2013/5/13 Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com Hi Kay, Hi all, 2013/5/13 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com I think Guy's idea has merit, but...it would be difficult for us to predict where our next

Re: How new developers get started

2013-07-03 Thread janI
On Jul 3, 2013 10:20 PM, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jan, 2013/7/3 janI j...@apache.org let me know if you need help from a (nearly) local developer. Thank you for your answer. Nearly local ? I situated you in Denmark, I should review my geography. For me nearly

Re: Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM, William wc...@att.net wrote: I am getting error ( accessing your personal settings or your Personal settings are blocked. I am operating windows 7. Can you tel me how to correct this error. Hello William, You did not say what you were trying to do when you saw

Re: how to stop openoffice recovery

2013-06-25 Thread Jorg Schmidt
how to stop openoffice recovery Klick on the right Button (in your Screenshot) and in the next dialog on yes (I do not know the label in Chinese? is called.) There may, depending on the context, a third dialog that prompts you to save files, in doubt agree to this saving. Greetings, Jorg

Re: how to stop openoffice recovery

2013-06-25 Thread RGB ES
2013/6/25 Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com 彤�u:你好! 如果是要停止本次恢复,则选择取消按钮。如果是要永久关闭自动恢复功能,也就是下次不再出现这个对话框,目前我还没找到方法。貌似AOO没提供这个选项。 Hi all, is there any one know how to disable the AOO recovery for ever, does AOO provides an option that can prevent displaying these dialogs next time? That is likely

Re: how to stop openoffice recovery

2013-06-25 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:44:09 +0800 Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: 彤_u:你好! 如果是要停止本次恢复,则选择取消按钮。如果是要永久关闭自动恢复功能,也就是下次不再出现这个对话框,目前我还没找到方法。貌似AOO没提供这个选项。 Hi all, is there any one know how to disable the AOO recovery for ever, does AOO provides an option that can prevent displaying

Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-06-21 Thread William
I am getting error ( accessing your personal settings or your Personal settings are blocked. I am operating windows 7. Can you tel me how to correct this error. Thank you wc...@att.net 615 459-7924 - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: [UX] How add a new icon set?

2013-06-18 Thread Claudio Filho
2013/6/13 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com: I saw some interesting icons from Faenza collection and I wish to do a icon set for AOO with this material. Where can i find some material or orientation to see how to do it? Is possible to do a extension for this idea? Replying myself: http

Re: For XLS, how does Excel represent a array data source of chart in the binary format?

2013-05-20 Thread Clarence GUO
of a series. For case 1 and 2, it is that like the description. But for case 3, I find many fields of BRAI record are empty but they are not in case 1 and 2. These fields should be used to represent valid data series souce. I'm trying to support case 3 in Symphony, but I don't know how Excel 2003

Re: Hi could you tell me how to cancel my account with openoffice?

2013-05-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Kelvin Dobbs wrote: Hello my name is kelvin. a while ago i must of brought an open office program for my computer and it comes out of my bank every month I have no need for it now and i was hoping you could help me with canceling my account? Hi, if you are paying something for OpenOffice, you

Re: How new developers get started

2013-05-13 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 5/13/13, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alexandro, Hi all, 2013/5/13 Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org I co-lead the education project which included the use of classrooms which as you say identify key developers and evolve into web training around code. Eric manage to

For XLS, how does Excel represent a array data source of chart in the binary format?

2013-05-13 Thread Clarence GUO
series souce. I'm trying to support case 3 in Symphony, but I don't know how Excel 2003 represents a array in data series. Could anybody who knows it tell me? Clarence

Re: How new developers get started

2013-05-12 Thread Kay Schenk
on how to go about partial builds and integrate them more easily. So, no answers from me, just some things I've been thinking about lately. -- MzK God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot

Re: How new developers get started

2013-05-12 Thread Alexandro Colorado
trying to understand how to navigate through the code might be helpful. There are some talks on different OOoCon that had talk about this issue and also ways to improve the situation. QA might be the easiest simple way to contribute, like confirming bugs and or reporting language bugs, or similar

Hi could you tell me how to cancel my account with openoffice?

2013-05-12 Thread Kelvin Dobbs
Hello my name is kelvin. a while ago i must of brought an open office program for my computer and it comes out of my bank every month I have no need for it now and i was hoping you could help me with canceling my account?

Re: How new developers get started

2013-05-11 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Rob, Hi all, 2013/5/11 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org I'm thinking we have three kinds of volunteers: [...] 1) Twice a year (once a semester) we get an influx of college students who have been told by their professor to contribute to an open source project. That is a type #3 developer.

Good blog post from Mozilla: How to Spread the Word about Your Code

2013-05-08 Thread Rob Weir
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/05/how-to-spread-the-word-about-your-code/ -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org

Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-05-06 Thread Vanita Washington
Hi, I have finished the module. Thanks, Vanita - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org

Starting How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-05-06 Thread Vanita Washington
Hi, I am working on this module. Thanks, Vanita - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org

Re: How to make install package name changed to 4.0

2013-04-12 Thread Ji Yan
Sorry, I wasn't noticed that the url is wrong. After fetch source code with the correct URL, we got the updated 4.0. Thanks for your help. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Herbert Dürr h...@apache.org wrote: Hi On 2013/04/11 4:50 PM, Ji Yan wrote: I have a question about the product

How to make install package name changed to 4.0

2013-04-11 Thread Ji Yan
Hi all, I have a question about the product version in installation package name, is the version controlled by aoo.ver in srcrelease.xml under folder https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/srcrelease.xml Currently, the version is 3.5, should we update it to 4.0?

Re: How to make install package name changed to 4.0

2013-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 4/11/13 4:50 PM, Ji Yan wrote: Hi all, I have a question about the product version in installation package name, is the version controlled by aoo.ver in srcrelease.xml under folder https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/srcrelease.xml Currently, the

Re: How to make install package name changed to 4.0

2013-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 4/11/13 4:58 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/11/13 4:50 PM, Ji Yan wrote: Hi all, I have a question about the product version in installation package name, is the version controlled by aoo.ver in srcrelease.xml under folder

Re: How to make install package name changed to 4.0

2013-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 4/11/13 4:59 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/11/13 4:58 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/11/13 4:50 PM, Ji Yan wrote: Hi all, I have a question about the product version in installation package name, is the version controlled by aoo.ver in srcrelease.xml under folder

Re: How to make install package name changed to 4.0

2013-04-11 Thread Herbert Dürr
Hi On 2013/04/11 4:50 PM, Ji Yan wrote: I have a question about the product version in installation package name, is the version controlled by aoo.ver in srcrelease.xml under folder https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/srcrelease.xml Please not the our

how to..

2013-04-08 Thread alex korinthos
Dear Sir or Madam, I am a developer and I need to contribute to the openoffice project. What should I do? It is the first time I will occupy with open source so I am totally beginner on this subject. With respect, Alexios Mantas BSc in Computer Engineering Informatics

Re: how to..

2013-04-08 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 08.04.13 22:10, schrieb alex korinthos: Dear Sir or Madam, I am a developer and I need to contribute to the openoffice project. What should I do? It is the first time I will occupy with open source so I am totally beginner on this subject. First of all a warm welcome. The best point to start

Re: How to get mimetype at first position in the zip-container?

2013-03-28 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
. But the file is not valid. I cannot use AOO to save the file, which would bring the parts in the correct order, because AOO alters the content when saving and my changes are lost. Does anyone know, how I can pack the parts, so that it will be a valid ODF zip-container? Didn't you try zip/unzip? All

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-28 Thread Andre Fischer
On 25.03.2013 20:52, janI wrote: I might help here with the experience I have from vienna, where we had a huge build system, and I am still in contact with the people who maintains it. One idea just of the top, is not to start the compiler for each file, but collect the filenames needing to be

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-28 Thread janI
right now rewriting helpcontent2 makefiles and build.lst, which gives me an excellent inside knowledge of how the system works. Once that is done, I will request a vote for integrating the l10n branch so I can change all other modules and get rid of sdf files. I suspect this will take a little

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-28 Thread Juergen Schmidt
distracted by my sidebar work. No problem, new build system is not for tomorrow :-) I am right now rewriting helpcontent2 makefiles and build.lst, which gives me an excellent inside knowledge of how the system works. Once that is done, I will request a vote for integrating the l10n branch so I can

How to get mimetype at first position in the zip-container?

2013-03-27 Thread Regina Henschel
in the correct order, because AOO alters the content when saving and my changes are lost. Does anyone know, how I can pack the parts, so that it will be a valid ODF zip-container? Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: How to get mimetype at first position in the zip-container?

2013-03-27 Thread Regina Henschel
and opens the file nevertheless. But the file is not valid. I cannot use AOO to save the file, which would bring the parts in the correct order, because AOO alters the content when saving and my changes are lost. Does anyone know, how I can pack the parts, so that it will be a valid ODF zip-container

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-25 Thread Andre Fischer
, not on a per-module bases. Trouble is, the global mode (gbuild replaces build.pl) does not work, as far as I know. But this may server as a hint on how to integrate transex3 into gbuild modules. ./solenv/gbuild/AllLangResTarget.mk This is interesting because it really applies transex3 to .src files

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-25 Thread janI
how to get genLang integrated. The following files have a reference to transex3: ./toolkit/src2xml/source/**src2xml.py Don't know what this does but I am not sure that it is related to the text extraction. Toolkit is the API of AOO if I understand it correctly ? I tried to trigger

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-25 Thread Andre Fischer
and experimental are mutually exclusive? :-) To be serious, gbuild is not experimental anymore. But it is not flawless either. The gbuild branch contains more modules converted to gbuild. In various stages of completeness, I believe. I am not just looking for extraction, but simply how to get

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-25 Thread janI
. In various stages of completeness, I believe. I am not just looking for extraction, but simply how to get genLang integrated. The following files have a reference to transex3: ./toolkit/src2xml/source/src2xml.py Don't know what this does but I am not sure that it is related to the text

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-25 Thread Juergen Schmidt
. I am not just looking for extraction, but simply how to get genLang integrated. The following files have a reference to transex3: ./toolkit/src2xml/source/src2xml.py Don't know what this does but I am not sure that it is related to the text

[question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-24 Thread janI
makefiles, but no luck. The following files have a reference to transex3: ./toolkit/src2xml/source/src2xml.py ./solenv/gbuild/AllLangResTarget.mk ./solenv/inc/os2gcci.mk ./solenv/inc/libs.mk ./solenv/inc/unitools.mk But I cannot see how that connects into the build system. In order to integrate

Re: [question] build structure, how is l10n handled.

2013-03-24 Thread Juergen Schmidt
cannot see how that connects into the build system. In order to integrate genLang I need to understand to things: a) where the current system builds l10n parts b) where I could attach genLang (it should only be called once for every module, with a list of files to extract/merge). I hope

Starting How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-03-22 Thread Steven Vollmer
Here I go! -Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org

Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-03-22 Thread Steven Vollmer
I'm interested in Support and Documentation for now. Hopefully more later, I'm sure things will evolve here for me as I get started. Peace Love, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For

Re: how to create temp files when start OO

2013-03-19 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Yi, On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 07:42:44PM +0800, Yi wrote: Hi, When I start the openoffice first time, there will be some temp folders and files created, such as C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\OpenOffice\1\user\gallery how to create the folders or files in source

Re: Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-03-15 Thread Kay Schenk
Rebecca -- Thanks for letting us know of your progress. We hope to see more of you on this list soon! On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Rebecca Williams sxyrck...@gmail.comwrote: I have completed this module. --

Re: Completed How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works

2013-03-15 Thread Kay Schenk
Martha, Thanks for letting us know of your progress. We hope to see more of you on this list soon! On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:37 AM, martha baker trinity1...@icloud.comwrote: complete martha baker trinity1...@icloud.com --

Re:Re: How do I add a new template to install the package with a separate classification

2013-03-14 Thread Yi
is also not self explaining. It's common practice that people introduce themselves on the mailing list. Thisismynegligence, I did not noticethemailboxsettings, I changed right now! if some one know how to fix my question below , please tell me ,thanks! How do I add a new template to install

Re: How do I add a new template to install the package with a separate classification

2013-03-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/13/13 3:09 PM, 2 wrote: Hi, How do I add a new template to install the package with a separate classification, I add some templates in here “D:\aoo\main\extras\source\templates\presnt\lang\en-US” before building, but it doesn't work I can't help because I don't know it. But maybe

Re: how do you do?

2013-03-08 Thread sumit murari
i'm fine , thank you. Sir, i've no top leader, i'm just a simple programmer and there is only me(no top-leader) On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Kim YongRim kyr...@hotmail.com wrote: how do you do. I would discuss the your AOO project. I take part in your aoo project and have fixed many

Re: how do you do?

2013-03-08 Thread Jihui Choi
:51 AM, Kim YongRim kyr...@hotmail.com wrote: how do you do. I would discuss the your AOO project. I take part in your aoo project and have fixed many bugs and porblems by onself. in future, I am going to share my result and cooperate with each other in developing AOO

how to change the setup

2013-03-01 Thread 2
Hi, How to change thenameoftheinstallation package before building? I think the Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_1.0.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe is not accurate, it can be installed in the system with x64, so Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_1.0.1_Win_install_en-US.exe is better. BTW, if I want

Re: how to change the setup

2013-03-01 Thread FR web forum
Right click on the file and choose Rename menu. Give the name as you want. - Mail original - De: 2 laoyi...@126.com À: dev@openoffice.apache.org Envoyé: Vendredi 1 Mars 2013 10:08:36 Objet: how to change the setup Hi, How to change thenameoftheinstallation package before building? I

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti
with that. The corollary actions are very, very different from what you suggest. Staying on the constructive part of this thread, here's Ross Gardler speaking from the past (2011): http://www.slideshare.net/rgardler/the-apache-way-and-openofficeorg --- How Conflict is Resolved * Everyone has a veto (-1

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-17 Thread Ross Gardler
/the-apache-way-and-openofficeorg --- How Conflict is Resolved * Everyone has a veto (-1) * Only committers veto is binding * Veto must be supported: - Reasoned argument with course of action - Willingness to implement alternative * Veto's force discussion and, if supported, version control

How Do I opt out?

2013-02-16 Thread Steve Culver
I'm sorry, but I don't have the time time to help with QA that I thought I did. How do I un-subscribe? Steve Follow Howell Davidson's Adventures at stevenRculver.com

Re: How Do I opt out?

2013-02-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Steve Culver wrote: I don't have the time time to help with QA that I thought I did. How do I un-subscribe? Just send a message to dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org and then reply to the confirmation e-mail you will receive. Regards, Andrea.

Re: How Do I opt out?

2013-02-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Andrea Pescetti wrote: Steve Culver wrote: I don't have the time time to help with QA that I thought I did. How do I un-subscribe? Just send a message to dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org and then reply to the confirmation e-mail you will receive. ...and the same to qa-unsubscr

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: [Andrea] I agree that there should be no delay from the moment a veto is acknowledged to the moment the commit is reverted ... [Dave Fisher] As long as no delay allows for the person being some reasonable number of hours away from the their technology including that daily

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: [Andrea] I agree that there should be no delay from the moment a veto is acknowledged to the moment the commit is reverted ... [Dave Fisher] As long as no delay allows for the person being some

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 17:31 Oggetto: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future Obviously the changes to Calc's POWER() function

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 17:31 Oggetto: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 05:31:43PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: Obviously the changes to Calc's POWER() function did not go well. IMHO, we need to better respect the rare but powerful veto option that committers have: http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#Veto When a committ is

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future Obviously the changes to Calc's POWER() function did not go well. IMHO, we need to better respect the rare but powerful veto option that committers have: http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#Veto Rare

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
, and only cease to apply when the committer who issued the veto withdraws it. http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html I think before code is shipped begs the question of how long before?, since code also needs to be tested, documented, often has translation impacts as well. So we cannot keep

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
withdraws it. http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html I think before code is shipped begs the question of how long before?, since code also needs to be tested, documented, often has translation impacts as well. So we cannot keep vetoed code in the product until the last minute since

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread janI
that long. Ripple effects can make it hard to revert the change later. This is why you start the discussion and come to consensus on how to proceed. In my experience, proceed usually means additional changes to address the concerns raised. The only time revert has ever been the solution is when

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Herbert Dürr
Hi Pedro, I personally cannot work like this: my work (code and time) receives more respect in other projects. I understand your frustration. Please be assured that you and your work are most highly respected. You have done so much for the project and helped to improve its quality very

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
15 Febbraio 2013 11:26 Oggetto: Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future Hi Pedro, I personally cannot work like this: my work (code and time) receives more respect in other projects. I understand your frustration. Please be assured that you

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Obviously the changes to Calc's POWER() function did not go well. no they didn't IMHO, we need to better respect the rare but powerful veto option that committers have:

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
to making a release. Obviously, the community doesn't want to wait that long. Ripple effects can make it hard to revert the change later. This is why you start the discussion and come to consensus on how to proceed. In my experience, proceed usually means additional changes to address the concerns

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
for a very long time. The forces it to be reverted is in reference to making a release. Obviously, the community doesn't want to wait that long. Ripple effects can make it hard to revert the change later. This is why you start the discussion and come to consensus on how to proceed. In my

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir ... thanks for putting some sense into this discussion. I totally agree with your point of view. and please remember accepting backwards compatibility as a technical argument is real killer which can be used to 99℅ of all commits. So

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Dave Fisher
Rob, Please count how much of the emails in these inordinate threads are your emails. Please review the following: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html Thank you. Regards, Dave On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weir robw

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pavel Janík
On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Please review the following: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html +1 Please let's stop the thread. -- Pavel Janík

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir ... thanks for putting some sense into this discussion. I totally agree with your point of view. and please remember accepting backwards compatibility as a technical

Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-14 Thread Rob Weir
Obviously the changes to Calc's POWER() function did not go well. IMHO, we need to better respect the rare but powerful veto option that committers have: http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#Veto When a committ is vetoed, it should be reverted quickly. Remember, a veto is likely to

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-14 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: When a committ is vetoed, it should be reverted quickly. Yes, when we have a proper veto, with valid technical grounds. A good side of the 0 ^ 0 discussion is that contributors are now better educated on this. If the original coder is willing and able to revert quickly,

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-14 Thread Rob Weir
, and that discussions can be held after the revert. But, whenever possible, give the committer the opportunity to revert the commit himself. I agree with you that this is a good description of how a mainstream veto should work. I'm not sure we need to document how to handle the odd cases were there is explicit

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