Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:31 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Two thoughts: 1. Concerned people found it problematically that OOo depended so much on SUN and later Oracle. So the situation under the roof of the Apache Software Foundation is a real progress. So we

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-23 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 2014-10 -23, at 07:36, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:31 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Two thoughts: 1. Concerned people found it problematically that OOo depended so much on SUN and later Oracle. So the situation under the roof

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-23 Thread Alexandro Colorado
This problem has indirectly to do with the lack of marketing efforts the community has been victim off. Without going into further rant, there should be some attention being put to what the project is communicating right now. On Oct 23, 2014 6:37 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: On Thu, Oct

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-23 Thread Marcus
Am 10/23/2014 01:36 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:31 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Two thoughts: 1. Concerned people found it problematically that OOo depended so much on SUN and later Oracle. So the situation under the roof of the Apache Software

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-23 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/23/2014 04:36 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:31 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Two thoughts: 1. Concerned people found it problematically that OOo depended so much on SUN and later Oracle. So the situation under the roof of the Apache Software

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-22 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: For instance, here: In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project. Much of OpenOffice's recent decline may be due to IBM's withdrawal from the project. OpenOffice 4.1.1.

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-22 Thread Mateusz Zasuwik
2014-10-22 9:56 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: For instance, here: In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project. Much of OpenOffice's recent

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-22 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2014-10-22 20:35 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com: 2014-10-22 9:56 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: For instance, here: In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but stalled, while

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-22 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 21/10/2014 Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: ...Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-OpenOffice-and-rumors-of-unification In short, your links are not very significant. I assume you are doing it in good faith, but the above is not well-sourced (and the disappeared developers all

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-22 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/22/2014 12:18 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: 2014-10-22 20:35 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com: 2014-10-22 9:56 GMT+02:00 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: On 21/10/14 18:00, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: For instance, here: In other words, for some reason, development of

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-21 Thread FR web forum
3. So... Is it true that IBM withdrew their dev employees? Rumor or hoax Where did you hear this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-21 Thread Mateusz Zasuwik
For instance, here: In other words, for some reason, development of OpenOffice has all but stalled, while LibreOffice remains an active project. Much of OpenOffice's recent decline may be due to IBM's withdrawal from the project. OpenOffice 4.1.1. An anonymous informant alleges -- and web

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-04 Thread jan i
Reading this thread really makes me sad ! Its basicually the same discussion I experienced when I joined 2 years ago, not much have changed.. The tone is still the same AOO is superior and LO lives by copying our code. In my opinion BOTH projects have made a lot of progress on their own (NOT by

RE: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orcnotes below. -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 07:58 To: dev Subject: Re: Concerns about the AOO community [ ... ] In my opinion BOTH projects have made a lot of progress on their own (NOT by using code from the other

RE: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-04 Thread Lawrence Rosen
be told that this is what the communities want, and make it happen. /Larry -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:13 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Concerns about the AOO community orcnotes below

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-04 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: . . . Independent of the number of mails, It is a fact that this list, even though called dev@, contains nearly no development discussions nor does these discussions take place elsewhere publicly. . . . Hi Jan, are you having

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Independent of the number of mails, It is a fact that this list, even though called dev@, contains nearly no development discussions nor does Hi Jan, are you having problems with your list subscription? You might

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
jan i wrote: Its basicually the same discussion I experienced when I joined 2 years ago, not much have changed.. I'm mostly ignoring this thread since it is based on a premise that is not true. But you make some good points below, so I'll address them. It is also a fact (SADLY) that LO and

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 02/10/2014 Roman Sausarnes wrote: And I'm here to help, not just complain :) I'm still working out how I can contribute... Well, start by improving the wiki then! I agree that the building guide can be restructured better, especially in the steps that lead you from the main page to the

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 02/10/14 01:44, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On G+ I have hold a conversation with Bruce Byfield and Jos from KDE about the continuation of the Apache OpenOffice community and how the way that the community has enter lately into a

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Lynch
It would be better for the projects to merge, but the details (license, community) clearly matter a lot to some people. If there was a better spirit of cooperation most of the effort could go into AOO with just some minor things for the GPL version derived from it in an agreed way so that that

RE: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 05:47 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Concerns about the AOO community It would be better for the projects to merge, but the details (license, community) clearly matter a lot to some people. If there was a better spirit of cooperation most

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Chuck Davis
I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately indicating interest coming from someplace. If one out of 10 of them sticks and becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very good position I think. My observations regarding LO: 1) They've copied some features from MS Office

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Roman Sausarnes
Hello, As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved in one project or the other, I thought I would share my impressions. The LibreOffice website and development materials seem friendlier to newcomers. It is easier to navigate and find simple instructions for how to get

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes romansausar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved in one project or the other, I thought I would share my impressions. The LibreOffice website and development materials seem

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Alain Sanguinetti
Le 02.10.2014 19:38, Alexandro Colorado a écrit : On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes romansausar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved in one project or the other, I thought I would share my impressions. The

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes romansausar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved in one project or the other, I thought I would share my

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Alain Sanguinetti al...@sanguinetti.eu wrote: Le 02.10.2014 19:38, Alexandro Colorado a écrit : On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes romansausar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Roman Sausarnes
I swear I am technically savvy, but I have not found an easy link to the materials you reference. I start at the homepage - www.openoffice.org I click on I want to participate in OpenOffice link which takes me here: http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html I clink on the New Volunteer

RE: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
the developer training materials. My bad. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Roman Sausarnes [mailto:romansausar...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:26 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Concerns about the AOO community Hello, As a newcomer to development who is looking

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/02/2014 11:18 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On 10/2/14, Roman Sausarnes romansausar...@gmail.com wrote: I swear I am technically savvy, but I have not found an easy link to the materials you reference. I start at the homepage - www.openoffice.org I click on I want to participate in

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Dave Barton
Chuck Davis wrote: I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately indicating interest coming from someplace. If one out of 10 of them sticks and becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very good position I think. Agreed. My observations regarding LO: 1) They've

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-02 Thread Donald Harbison
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Chuck Davis wrote: I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately indicating interest coming from someplace. If one out of 10 of them sticks and becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very good

Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-01 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On G+ I have hold a conversation with Bruce Byfield and Jos from KDE about the continuation of the Apache OpenOffice community and how the way that the community has enter lately into a dormant stage with very little traffic. Althought I do seem that is an exageration, I feel that is true that

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-01 Thread Ian Lynch
As a moderator of the dev list, I can't say I have noticed any reduction in traffic. If anything its increasing. On 1 October 2014 21:34, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On G+ I have hold a conversation with Bruce Byfield and Jos from KDE about the continuation of the Apache

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-01 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I see well they are still piling on if anyone interested in giving example how this community is not 'diying'. https://plus.google.com/u/1/107133120166691255011/posts/QUksBJiVLzd?cfem=1 Since Bruce is a prominent writer for Linux Magazine I think is worth to educate him on these matters, and

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On G+ I have hold a conversation with Bruce Byfield and Jos from KDE about the continuation of the Apache OpenOffice community and how the way that the community has enter lately into a dormant stage with very little

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-01 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 02/10/2014 Alexandro Colorado wrote: Since Bruce is a prominent writer for Linux Magazine I think is worth to educate him on these matters To answer the first false fact he mentions, why has it been so quiet in the last few weeks on the mailing lists? Not long ago, even a day without

Re: Concerns about the AOO community

2014-10-01 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 02/10/2014 Alexandro Colorado wrote: Since Bruce is a prominent writer for Linux Magazine I think is worth to educate him on these matters To answer the first false fact he mentions, why has it been so quiet in