Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-25 Thread Jörg Schmidt
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political motivated. See for example the upcoming discussion about the same topic in Munich after changes in the administration. You're absolutely right, but what can we do about it?

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-24 Thread Jörg Schmidt
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] no it means the benefit of the patches is so minimal that a rewrite is probably cheaper and easier. For the example for 1 use case we have integrated we spend a lot of time to understand the patch and realize that the implementation

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary option.

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Michal Hriň
Dňa 24.10.2014 o 09:59 Jürgen Schmidt napísal(a): On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 24.10.2014 um 09:59 schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, For example: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in future LO will

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 10/24/2014 01:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development.

RE: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 01:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 17:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Spam (9.566):Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved

Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-24 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Do you know off hand if this is through OLE or some other mechanism? I have been handed a docx files with something embedded inside that prevents viewing because I do not happen to have that particular application installed on my computer. On 10/25/2014 12:50 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-23 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 23.10.2014 um 06:47 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: I think it's good that we live in a free society and customers have the right to see things differently. Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary

OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

2014-10-23 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary option. Possible. But where is the problem?

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread BRM
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:03 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: BRM [mailto:bm_witn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] Unfortunately that will always be the state of OOXML integration for anyone other than Microsoft since OOXML is a poorly defined standard that relies on

RE: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orcnotes inline -Original Message- From: BRM [mailto:bm_witn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 08:12 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Improved OOXML support? On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:03 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: BRM

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Jörg Schmidt
I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial support. Probably because it is not an easy task, too much of a moving target, and more.Yes, you can figure out a series of files, but

RE: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. The improved OOXML support was funded by an organization. You've seen Jürgen Schmidt's response on the difficulty there has been integrating that code into Apache OpenOffice. I don't doubt his appraisal. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jörg Schmidt [mailto:joe...@j-m-schmidt.de] Sent

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 22.10.2014 um 07:03 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial support. If I were in need of an OOXML suite, I would pay for the real one. The other one is

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Jörg Schmidt
From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] I find it really strange that it seems impossible to find companies that are willing to integrate corresponding filter in AOO, as a normal commercial support. If I were in need of an OOXML suite, I would pay for the real one. The

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-22 Thread Jörg Schmidt
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:13 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Improved OOXML support? With regard to the quotation from me, yes, it is possible to find funding for improvements. There have been requests

Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-21 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, Does anyone know when the integration of the extended OOXML filter functionality will be completed in AOO? I mean the enhancements that have been created within a project of the OSBA:

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-21 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 21/10/14 08:34, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, Does anyone know when the integration of the extended OOXML filter functionality will be completed in AOO? I mean the enhancements that have been created within a project of the OSBA:

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-21 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello *, From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] No easy to answer when or if this will be integrated at all. We have spend some time to integrate 2 use cases of this project and spend many many time on it to make it complete (our work is already merged in LO). The patches

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-21 Thread BRM
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:41 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello *, From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] No easy to answer when or if this will be integrated at all. We have spend some time to integrate 2 use cases of this project and spend

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-21 Thread Jürgen Lange
Hi Ben, you make me laugh. At the very moment Apache OpenOffice is far behind LibreOffice if you look at interoperability to Microsoft products. Last week I tried to load an Excel sheet (with pivo) into Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1. Loading stopped and AOO hang. It was no problem to load this

Re: Improved OOXML support?

2014-10-21 Thread Jörg Schmidt
From: BRM [mailto:bm_witn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] Unfortunately that will always be the state of OOXML integration for anyone other than Microsoft since OOXML is a poorly defined standard that relies on many binary extensions that are not published. Kind of like the old DOC/XLS/PPT/MDB