Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Paul Benedict
Don, Then, once the release is out, people nitpick through it finding issues to shoot it down (and yes, a beta is as good as a killed release because it doesn't get out to the users in an public, accessible location). I must be one of the folk guilty of nit-picking :) But honestly, I

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If, in six months with 100% dedicated committers willing to do whatever it takes and a codebase that is stable and proven, we can't push out a GA release, we have a serious problem. First, six months of effort would be a record. Typically, the

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, a beta is as good as a killed release because it doesn't get out to the users in an public, accessible location). Ummm, we can submit a Beta for general circulation and mirroring. Right now, today, we're doing that with the Shale *Alpha*. *

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 5/14/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it helps, I'd say we could we could even announce the next distribution as * Stuts Action 1.3.5 Beta (release candidate). (Given the votes, of course.) I think the only thing that's broken is the notion that a Beta is not a Release

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather not re-introduce the term release candidate at this point, especially not in combination with 'Beta'. Under our current guidelines, a Beta *is* a release. And, so is an Alpha. And we can distribute any release - Alpha, Beta, or GA --

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Unless I'm mistaken, the votes I've always seen come up have three choices: mark a release alpha, beta or GA. This would seem to be the cause of the problem with the process to me because it in effect allows the process to be short circuited, i.e., a newly-rolled release could be marked GA

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each release can be distributed as far and wide as you want, and in fact should be, to get as many people testing as possible. Yes. The reason we stopped putting qualifiers like beta and rc in the distribution names, was so we could start

Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-13 Thread Don Brown
Craig McClanahan wrote: However, I would be unhappy with all of us other committers if we stopped testing 1.3.4 at all, until 1.3.5became available, and we surface yet another two line change next week. This is exactly why I think this release process, or least least the Struts PMC