How could there be a reason not to do this? (This is not a rhetorical
question.)
Jack
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:08:40 -0400, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:50:05 -0700, Craig McClanahan wrote:
My personal itch is to not have to build everything from scratch --
its
Why is it not possible for the framework to use interfaces into which
JSF can be plugged in, perhaps with adapters, as an option well as
other alternatives? This too is not a rhetorical question.
Jack
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:16:56 -0700, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 28
I admit to a huge amount of ignorance about JSF. I have partly been
stymied by an inability to decide on a text to read. I have always
liked Hans work, and may go that direction. I cannot know, of course,
how that ignorance impacts my part in this discussion. I do think
that in any event it is
Thanks, Vic,
Magnolia seems to be oriented to developers whereas JDNC is oriented
to clients/users. Which connection are you seeing with Struts?
For my part, I don't see a connection with either. Struts is not
either a clientside application or a graphics or page-builder tool.
So, I am
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:47:39 -0500, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consider a populate method on ActionForm. From an OOP standpoint, it might
be cleaner if an ActionForm populated itself rather than rely on an god
class to populate it from the outside.
Yes! This would reverberate
SVN seems to be considerably slower than CVS. Is that standard for most people?
Jack
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Well, I'm soon going to find out what the disk outage is for the
struts directory. Man! Whew! I started just doing asf. Not good!
I'm still deleting on that one. LOL I hope there are no major file
reorganizations happening soon. ;-)
Jack
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:43:30 -0600, Eddie Bush
Thanks, Martin -- Jack
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:04:02 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:26:50 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ARChives are down -- search errors -- so I have to ask a question
which has probably been covered well
, 22 Nov 2004 12:04:02 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:26:50 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ARChives are down -- search errors -- so I have to ask a question
which has probably been covered well there.
There are at least 4 sets of archives
to talk to on this one, Martin. What do you
think? Is that a bad idea at this time? Could just use a hack for
the moment?
Jack
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:17:16 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:11:30 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose I am
I am trying to build 1_2_6 and Struts upload requires something prior
to Servlet 2.4. Does someone have a Servlet 2.2 or 2.3 around that I
can use for the build? I would appreciate that. Just email it, if
you do and would like to donate tot he cause. I really don't want to
go searching around
Without disagreeing with anything you have said, Don, I think the
confusion is caused in part by the fact that CoR is anticipated in
part for its pluggable nature. In this respect, there is a real
connection in functionality between CoR and IoC that is not as
attenuated as the one between HashMap
Where is this checked in. folks?
Jack
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:44:04 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any reason that a JSF-independent version of the
application-wide controller scheme, as just checked in, couldn't be
part of Struts 1.3? Or, for that matter, even part
different problems being solved in two different ways.
Don
Dakota Jack wrote:
Without disagreeing with anything you have said, Don, I think the
confusion is caused in part by the fact that CoR is anticipated in
part for its pluggable nature. In this respect, there is a real
connection
Double Hmm? I just tried again, but this time instead of updating
all of shale I just did the trunk, and it worked. What is up with
that?
Jack
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:37:14 -0800, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:32:26 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED
Do the new commons utility classes allow us to have an ActionForm implement Map?
Jack
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Assuming that there is a significant interest in Jericho, which from
the work on chain as well as other notes and discussions on the list,
I think I can assume there is, would there also be an interest in
making the significant class factories in Jericho hot deploy
factories? I would like to open
Thanks, Martin,
Some notes:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:05:22 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are currently discussing the use of Commons Chain in the Struts 1.x
family, starting with 1.3. The idea is that we would replace the
current request processor with the one from
Whatever the fate and whatever the nature of this submission, having
this sort of development available to users and to developers is, I
think, a definite plus. Does it make sense for Struts to have a
repository for such things, even if they are not in the distribution
to others? It does to me.
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:24:41 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:39:51 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whatever the fate and whatever the nature of this submission, having
this sort of development available to users and to developers is, I
think
suggesting? ;-) If it's not in
Struts SVN, and it's not in Struts Applications at SourceForge, what -
and where - is it?
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:53:22 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:24:41 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I just noticed this. Looks like Ted already has something along the
lines I was thinking going with this Apps business. What's up with
that?
Jack
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:27:44 -0500, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a download module in the struts-examples application.
Downloading a file in Struts is, as Martin says, almost trivial. In
fact, downloading a file in Java is pretty danged easy. So is number
theory: five postulates. What's to worry? LOL
http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/minitext/number/index.asp .
* Pl. 0 is a number.
* P2. The successor
, but two
different problems being solved in two different ways.
Don
Dakota Jack wrote:
Without disagreeing with anything you have said, Don, I think the
confusion is caused in part by the fact that CoR is anticipated in
part for its pluggable nature. In this respect, there is a real
Here is code, as opposed to pretty pictures -- LOL ;-)
This is intended to demonstrate how simple Had is in contrast to
normal Service Locator or Inversion of Control (Dependency Injection)
frameworks. Remember, THIS IS ALL THE CODE. There are no
NanoContainers. Not XML. No Config classes,
obfuscation and avoid metaphors 'til
the cows come home!
Thanks, again,
Jack
Craig
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:59:43 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is code, as opposed to pretty pictures -- LOL ;-)
This is intended to demonstrate how simple Had is in contrast
Just a few notes and more later after some thought:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:01:43 -0800, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:04:48 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yup! Dang! LOL Nothing is free, is it? I have changed the factory
transfer state
Thanks, Craig. I think there might be a misunderstanding. See within.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:32:06 -0800, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:36:09 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by transparently swap. IoC requires
Thanks for the information, Peter. A couple of comments within. To
think ahead to the next couple of submissions, I know about Halloway,
and based most of what I have done so far on his thinking.
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:04:58 -, Pilgrim, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hence WebLogic
Hi, Paul,
Sorry to disappoint you, but thanks for stopping in to say you are not
interested. LOL Seriously, this is a think tank thread not a
completed idea which is being ballyhooed thread. If you know a better
way than is being presented, please step up. I have not seen this
conversation
Thanks again. More useful information, Craig. I am trying to figure
out a good way to do a Registry.java class without messing up garbage
collection. I was hoping to use finalize() to keep track outside of
the garbage collection loop of live classes, but have discovered, I
think, that only
I'm putting a cap on my work here for the moment. I would be
interested if anyone has some ideas, directions, etc. they could offer
on the Registry issues. I would like to thank everyone, even Paul
;-), for their assistance on this thread. I need to do some homework
and then will be back on
implementations that may be better suited.
-Paul
Dakota Jack wrote:
Working here on a new paradigm, sort of, I think.
Apparently you can track what has happened to a strong reference with
a weak reference but you cannot manipulate the object referred to by
the strong reference
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:05:12 -0800, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't forget that Strings are immutable in Java :-).
You might have better luck experimenting with a JavaBean that has
getters/setters for the properties you want to be able to mess with.
Craig
Thanks, Craig:
Paul and Craig
I am getting what I expect with the following code (see below), thanks
to Craig, but not with the code which you can find at
http://131.191.32.112:8080/classes.zip and I am not sure what the
difference is. Essentially, I am trying to keep a WeakReference to
Point classes so that
CheckPlease {
private String bill = 0.00;
public void setBill(String add) {
if(add == null) add = freebee;
else bill += + + add;
}
public String getBill() {
return bill;
}
public String toString() {
return bill;
}
}
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:18:33 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL
Thanks, Craig,
I am going to have to look into this more, then. Interesting stuff in
any event.
Jack
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:07:28 -0800, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:56:31 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Essentially, I am trying to keep
the PointComposite would be
updated via a callback with a weak referenced listener. This may all
be way too complex. If so, then I can abandon it, but I think it
deserves a look. I think maybe it could be made simple.
Jack
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:10:58 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks
, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please move this thread to a Java language mailing list. This
discussion is not related to Struts. Thanks.
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:30:03 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig,
I am thinking of doing a wrapper, e.g
both parties involved in the negotiation, ie: tell
Foo it has a new Bar implementation so it can synch its logic properly.
-Paul
Dakota Jack wrote:
Paul and Craig
I am getting what I expect with the following code (see below), thanks
to Craig, but not with the code which you can
I figured out how to efficiently do the HaD for classes. Not too hard
actually. This will allow key framework classes to be hot deployed
and will act as a simpler, though how effective remains to be seen,
way to solve the problem IoC is presently used to solve through
dependency injection. The
Those on the dev list whom have been secretly corresponding with me
about HaD and Struts 2.0 hot deploy can find the latest at
http://131.191.32.112:8080/hot_deploy.zip. I have discovered that the
solution is essentially a much more lightweight version of JMX MLet
for hot deploy widely used in
, int y) in PointImpl and compiling to see the hot deploy work.
Jack
[LAST ENTRY IN THIS THREAD]
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:21:20 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those on the dev list whom have been secretly corresponding with me
about HaD and Struts 2.0 hot deploy can find the latest
I have sent you an answer on the user list under the same subject line
Jack
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:59:39 + (UTC), Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi there. Help a struts rookie pls.
I have successfully implemented a two step wizard like interface where I have
A.jsp for the first step and
Do the newer versions of commons utils allow an ActionForm to
implement Map? Thanks!
Jack
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-0600, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HTML tag lib for getters. (Else you could do some funky EL)
Request processor you should look at for setters. Also look at Joda
beans on sf.net.
My implement ion made a FormBean into a List (for mutirow CRUD).
.V
Dakota Jack wrote:
Perhaps I
(for example
iBatis) so you are more loosley coupled.
If I am wrong then... my suggestion is bs.
Contribute to Struts? The express way IMO is to fix bugs and submit diff
in bugzila. Or to have a popular Struts sub project on sf.net.
I am not a comitter, just so you know.
.V
Dakota Jack
briefs read and you have time to speak too. But, as I said, sigh.
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James,
You are right. I took the stuff off the wiki.
Jack
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something called a TROJAN HORSE?
Jack
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:50:38 -0800 (PST), Martin Cooper
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Dakota Jack wrote:
How is JSF not OT with struts-dev or struts-user? Struts is not dead
yet, is it? And, if not, why is struts airtime free to JSF
2004 18:50:38 -0800 (PST), Martin Cooper
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Dakota Jack wrote:
How is JSF not OT with struts-dev or struts-user? Struts is not dead
yet, is it? And, if not, why is struts airtime free to JSF?
You don't consider a question about STRUTS-chain
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)
at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.TcpWorkerThread.runIt(PoolTcpEndpoint.java:619)
at
org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:688)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:18:45 -0800, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do the newer
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Dakota Jack wrote:
How is JSF not OT with struts-dev or struts-user? Struts is not dead
yet, is it? And, if not, why is struts airtime free to JSF?
You don't consider a question about STRUTS-chain - a component in the
Struts sandbox - to be relevant
they may (and probably should) link to Struts core,
but Struts core should not depend on them.
I hope this can actually be accomplished ...
Jack
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Started
Then do the same for the Validator and Tiles DTDs.
My $.02 is that this order actually will be easier for newbies. +1
Jack
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shall we.
... for our committers to use on open source projects...
What part of that says anything about personal gain?
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On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
Isn't this using the committer status for personal gain?
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On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is a case in point: I count four (4) posts to the dev list in Greg
Reddin's history.
Pity you can't count.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=2r=1s=greg.reddinq=a
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On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
We can advertise our wares here? I did not know that. I thought
this list
was about Struts and not about Ted's business. But, excuse me. I
should
have known that Craig was not the exception in using the list
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Yep, I agree. You wouldn't believe the commission percentage that
Craig gets whenever he sells a free copy of Java Studio Creator. I'm
impressed that you noticed that toowow.
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On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
There is a big difference between
is brought
on for Shale and not for Struts.
On 4/25/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment
What is stupid or assinine about pointing out that your count is
incorrect?
It *is* incorrect. You counted
oversees Shale, Tiles, and SAF 1. WebWork
is not the only project here.
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morning for me, and I do not feel like just
lurking as usual. :) I will understand if you all think less of me
for this utterly juvenile email. I think less of me too. Today is
not a good self-control day. :(
On 4/27/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People do not do work around here
actually have a point. All the rhetoric about the Apache Way is not
useful or productive.
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What is amazing to me is that the people who are called trolls are
only those in some way contrary to the status quo. Others in favor of
the status quo who do nothing but use invective and display 10 year
old conduct are never mentioned.
They are used by the powers
This is silly, whomever you are.
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and that is why you will kill me last?
:-0
.V
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At least you are civil. That part is good.
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This post shows who the limited person is. It is you, Ma'am.
On 5/21/06, Kimani Darisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh wonderful, more comments from the list idiot.
K.
On 5/21/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who wants these frameworks combined? This is what has been killing Struts
, and is only here to confuse people.
K.
On 5/21/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have seen no very popular need. This is like Bush-Speak. Baloney
parading as truth.
On 5/21/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After talking with several on this list about the possibility
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You are right, for once. I only speak for myself. Those who are
unwilling to listen to others are condemned by their own choice to a
life of ignorance.
Sheese, sorry this got your panties in a bunch.
On 5/21/06, Kimani Darisha wrote:
To anyone
not belong. Anyone who brings JSF to Struts
cannot be working on too much voltage.
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Of course you aren't, Gary, because my panties are not in a bunch.
You are the one with his panties in a bunch because you
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