Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-16 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 16 July 2015 at 01:44, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: As long as platforms exist with homescreens and other inventories of installed apps, of which the browser is one, it seems worthwhile to me to support adding Web apps to those inventories so they're peers of native apps

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-16 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 16 July 2015 at 14:36, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can tell, neither of the above are things that another UA can hook into. Am I correct in my understanding here? I asked about that for Chrome Custom Tabs, a Googler told me there's an API so that other

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:15 AM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: 1. Enhance browser tiles: many sites have nice logos/icons, and they have an application-name. I want to show the application-name and icon or logo them in tiles in the new tab page. This seems possible using meta

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:00 PM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: Some of the things raised: * It's not clear what problems manifest solves: do we really want to replicate native app installation behavior on the Web? We don't have a good history of making this work in various products. *

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 15 July 2015 at 10:42, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: But it'd be *really* nice to get rid of features that are there specifically to migrate users away from the web and to native Android and iOS apps. If google/apple wants to implement that then that's fine with me, it's their

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 15 July 2015 at 10:42, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I also think that display-mode and orientation (and maybe theme_color) properties seem to make much less sense given the current model of manifests. That seems like information that we'd want to apply during normal browsing too,

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Martin Thomson
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:12 AM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: some people believe that web applications should be installable I don't subscribe to that theory. The web is comprised of pages, not apps. (I mostly agree with Alex, but not regarding the perceived need for app discoverability; I hear

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Martin Thomson m...@mozilla.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:12 AM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: some people believe that web applications should be installable I don't subscribe to that theory. The web is comprised of pages, not apps. (I mostly agree

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread marcos
On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 3:34:42 PM UTC+10, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:00 AM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: * It's not clear what problems manifest solves This is by far the biggest problem. I think we ended up with manifests because packages have manifests and

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:12 PM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: Do we even agree on the above? I agree with some of it... But, I don't really see the point of trying to merge web and native (other than turning the browser into the OS). And I really don't see the point of trying to play by native's

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-14 Thread marcos
(Please kindly cc me if you want my attention in this thread. I don't subscribe to mailing lists.) On Friday, April 18, 2014 at 7:22:56 AM UTC+10, Marcos Caceres wrote: Summary:   JSON-based manifest, which provides developers with a centralized place to put metadata associated with a web

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-14 Thread Martin Thomson
I'd rather see us solve the individual problems that manifests aim to solve using some combination of meta tags, link relations and plain-ol' DOM/JS APIs. The manifest is no better than the former two. It already replicates features that these provide when it comes to icons. In particular, the

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:00 AM, mar...@marcosc.com wrote: * It's not clear what problems manifest solves This is by far the biggest problem. I think we ended up with manifests because packages have manifests and iOS/Android use packages for applications, but none of that translates well to