Re: Symphony IP Cleanup

2012-11-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Taking a little break from my vacations ... - Is there anything in particular that you want to see cleaned up? Extracting code without the history is not exactly easy so we basically have to check wth the IBM guys anyways. There is also the issue that we only release code through the project

RE: Symphony IP Cleanup

2012-11-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Dennis; I am afraid that what we are doing is exactly cherry picking code and creating patches. AFAICT there is no one actively working on the symphony code. If I notice something I like, I open a bugzilla issue and try to get someone from IBM to look at it. The code still has unacceptable

RE: Symphony IP Cleanup

2012-11-16 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- Gio 15/11/12, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org ha scritto: ... So there is flexibility so long as no code appears in releases, but as you point out, code is leaking from the Symphony base into releases under the table.  That is not healthy. I wouldnt put it like that. We

Re: [QA] Python version late for MacOS

2012-12-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thank you Tsutomu-san! I am currently busy with other stuff but I am aware of what's needed in our pyuno layer so I will examine your code soon. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Tsutomu Uchino Hi, 2012/12/2, Pedro Giffuni : FWIW; After updating Python to 2.7.3 I started

Re: Unprocessed solaris bugs

2012-12-03 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi; I went ahead and reviewed some of them... not all. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Unprocessed solaris bugs On 12/3/12 3:55 PM, Jean-Louis 'Hans'

Re: Official Solaris

2012-12-11 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Jean-Louis; From: Jean-Louis 'Hans' Fuchs Hello We are working on building AOO for Solaris on Sparc and x86. There are people out there who would like to see official builds for these platforms. For us (and our customers), this would also be a great step forward, and we're eager to do

Easy task for a first time committer

2012-12-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; There is a small patch recently applied on LibreOffice and I confirmed the issue it fixes also happens in AOO. I don't think the patch is copyrightable but in any case I thought I would share here how to clean room it, as an example for similar patches we would like to adopt. In similar

Re: Easy task for a first time committer

2012-12-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
From: Lucas Burson  ... To solve this go to file main/padmin/source/rtsetup.src How are files like these parsed? For this printer ListBox ('RID_RTS_DEVICE_PRINTLANG_BOX') I found where it is initialized [1]. Then I found resource managers, and [2] which is some class dedicated to resources.

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

2012-12-16 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Original Message - From: Ariel Constenla-Haile  Hi Lucas, On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 01:52:49PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote: Hi, ... It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not being overridden:     [javac]

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

2012-12-16 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Kay; Yes, I can confirm after solving those two issues,we got OpenOffice building with JDK 7 on FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/ Pedro.

Chinese list (was Re: [Blog Draft] Update about Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 @Dec 13)

2012-12-17 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; FWIW, one idea that I left floating during ApacheConEU was the creation of a chinese list. Imacat was working on it, no idea if it the idea is still alive or waiting for volunteers to help moderate, etc. Pedro. - Messaggio originale - Da: Yue Helen  I missed the great

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

2012-12-17 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Ariel Constenla-Haile  On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:10:09AM -0800, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello Kay; Yes, I can confirm after solving those two issues,we got OpenOffice building with JDK 7

Re: Blog post

2012-12-18 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Rob; - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  ... On Dec 18, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello; Just to get the general public to know some of the things there are going on in the AOO code, Andrea and I have been preparing a blog post about the new random

Re: Blog post

2012-12-18 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Tthank you Andrea! - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrea Pescetti  ... On 18/12/2012 Pedro Giffuni wrote: Da: Rob Weir     So it might be worth encouraging some more rigorous testing here.  In fact, maybe your blog post can help recruit some volunteers? ... That is certainly

Re: [QA] Python version late for MacOS

2012-12-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Alexandro; - Messaggio originale - Da: Alexandro Colorado  ... Just as a note, OOo allows the user to select their own JVM and other things such as classpath, and such on the Tools - Options - Java. Could something like this be enabled for Python3 or 2 or would it be as hard

Re: [PROPOSAL] Licenses and Oracle texts.

2012-12-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Andrew; - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Rist  Jan, Other than the 'Oracle Report Builder' these all look like they should be changed. As for the 'Oracle Report Builder' ones, does that require more detailed surgery?  What is the equivalent product now?  Asking a larger

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

2012-12-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
I like it! cheers, Pedro. Da: Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com A: Apache OpenOffice dev@openoffice.apache.org; Apache OpenOffice Marketing market...@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Mercoledì 19 Dicembre 2012 20:33 Oggetto: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4

Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially

2012-12-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; Despite being so subjective, this is an extremely interesting subject. I went googling around the subject and it is quite important, I mean, there are experts that work on this stuff. For example, these guys will let you obtain a palette from a picture:

Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially

2012-12-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Da: Pedro Giffuni  Hello; Despite being so subjective, this is an extremely interesting subject. I went googling around the subject and it is quite important, I mean, there are experts that work on this stuff. For example, these guys will let you obtain a palette from a picture: http

Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially

2012-12-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Armin Le Grand      Hi Pedro, On 20.12.2012 16:21, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello; ... Looking at Symphony: I like the color palette but it still can be improved. If you slide over the colors you can see names and while some are descriptive

I broke the windows build :(

2012-12-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hmm.. It looks like my recent update of libxml2 broke the build in Windows. Before reverting, anyone has details of the breakage? The buildbot is not especific at all. Thanks and sorry, Pedro.

Re: I broke the windows build :(

2012-12-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
I found it.. it's an upstream bug. I will fix it in half an hour or so. cheers, Pedro. Da: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Venerdì 21 Dicembre 2012 0:29 Oggetto: I broke the windows build :( Hmm.. It looks like my

User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)

2012-12-23 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; The ASF is a non-profit organization, we don't pay for coding but concerning docx support there was a talk from Matthias Stürmer in ApacheConEU: http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/46/ This effort, of course, predates the establishment of AOO as a TLP so we were not consulted.

Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE for the next couple of hours !!!!

2012-12-24 Thread Pedro Giffuni
FWIW; One of the suggestions from Terry E was moving from MySQL to PostgreSQL, which offered advantages for doing proper backups. My memory is sketchy so you may want to dig up the details in the archives. Pedro. Da: janI j...@apache.org A:

Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE for the next couple of hours !!!!

2012-12-25 Thread Pedro Giffuni
(access to the db, running CWiki, I recall) cheers, Pedro. Da: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: janI j...@apache.org Inviato: Lunedì 24 Dicembre 2012 14:45 Oggetto: Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE

Moving content between CWiki and MWiki (was Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE for the next couple of hours !!!!)

2012-12-26 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Da: janI  ... Oggetto: Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE for the next couple of hours @pedro: thx, that can save quite some time if it works. @dave: nice to know that you are admin, so you can help provide e.g. a list of pages. Two things here: The conversor is one way only: to

Re: Moving content between CWiki and MWiki (was Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE for the next couple of hours !!!!)

2012-12-26 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Da: janI  On 26 December 2012 16:47, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: ... We do have licensing issues with the content of both the wiki and the website. If you check the lengthy discussion we had about it you will find that the documentation is mostly

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

2012-12-30 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Regina; - Messaggio originale - Da: Regina Henschel  A Implementation of FDIST as defined in ODF1.2 The function FDIST (part 2, 6.18.22) calculates the left tail (integral from 0 to x). The function LEGACY.FDIST (part 2, 6.18.23) calculates the right tail (integral from

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

2012-12-30 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  ... BTW, I am considering doing something drastic there, like replacing all the probability distributions with with boost implementations. Would there be any good reason to avoid such approach? What is the advantage of changing?  

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

2012-12-31 Thread Pedro Giffuni
, hi Andrew, Pedro Giffuni schrieb: ... I did just a very small set of changes for asinh, acosh, atanh and a some internal power functions .. just for testing. Since there is interest in this I opened a Bugzilla issue with the patch: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121561

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

2012-12-31 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir ...   Please feel free to contribute a spreadsheet that calculates the edge   cases. Any contribution of that kind is welcome

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

2013-01-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi again; - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  So there are two things here: 1) All the junk out to the 12th decimal place that might matter to a few people and which might be improved by moving to boost I think this will indeed be improved by boost. Boost is really cool in

Re: Boost, LAPACK and fortran

2013-01-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Maho; - Messaggio originale - Da: Maho NAKATA  Hi all and Pedro, In 2012/12/30 I recieved an e-mail from Pedro (sorry if you want to keep this activity secret) that he want to use uBLAS http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_48_0/libs/numeric/ublas/doc/index.htm for

Re: MWIKI down?

2013-01-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: TJ Frazier  ... On 1/2/2013 21:07, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Trying to create an account for Alexander (as requested) using the user name he sent to me, but mwiki appears to be down... Hi, Andrew, According to

Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)

2013-01-03 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Well, it is easier to get funding for such things if both projects get benefits. Depending on the organizers, if things only go to one side now it is likely that such funding will not be available in the future or that it will be reduced considerably and then everyone loses. Pedro.

Calc vs. acaddins : where to put stuff.

2013-01-03 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi; While digging around Calc I see some things that could be ordered better. One change that I am considering is moving RAND() to the Analysis scaddin and bringing the error erf() function in base Calc. This has reasons of course: in the case of RAND() I want it in the same file as

Re: Calc vs. acaddins : where to put stuff.

2013-01-03 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Regina; Thank you for the explanations. Da: Regina Henschel  Hi Pedro, Pedro Giffuni schrieb: Hi; While digging around Calc I see some things that could be ordered better. One change that I am considering is moving RAND() to the Analysis scaddin

Re: Yes, the Windows build is broken due to boost

2013-01-03 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hmm .. I found it, MSVC is picky/dumb and we have to specify the type, like in this case: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/708555/compile-error-c-could-not-deduce-template-argument-for-t If someone with Windows just goes ahead and fixes that, we can continue enjoying great precision in our

Re: Yes, the Windows build is broken due to boost

2013-01-04 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org ... Hi, On 04.01.2013 06:19, Pedro Giffuni wrote: As title says the windows build got broken by my attempt to use boost::math in Calc. The linux buildbots are fine so it seems some interaction between MSVC and boost

Re: Replacing things with solutions from Boost

2013-01-06 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Regina; I fear that if we create a branch for it, it will be completely untested: - I suspect that I would be the only one using such branch, and things like the building issue with STLport would've been unnoticed.[1] - The changes are really, really small and localized and just don't

Re: Mac OS X WaE build and boost (Was: Re: Yes, the Windows build is broken due to boost)

2013-01-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
informational. Pedro. - Messaggio originale - Da: Pavel Janík  Hi, On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: MSVC is picky/dumb and we have to specify the type, like in this case: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/708555/compile-error-c-could-not-deduce-template

Re: GNU Environment (New Build on Solaris)

2013-01-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; - Messaggio originale - Da: Jean-Louis 'Hans' Fuchs  Hello Everybody Abstract --- Solaris has differtent system-tools, all the GNU tools are prefixed g- (ie. gtar). Some tools and dependencies of the build-system have to be installed from OpenCSW on older

Re: Symphony code in AOO 4.0

2013-01-10 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Marcus; - Messaggio originale - Da: Marcus (OOo)  I learned about these claims via email, but not from the TDF mailing list.  But I would not be surprised if it originated there.  In any case, when a TDF Director and Marketing Lead makes such claims, it carries some

Re: Mwiki possible name change.

2013-01-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Jan; I would think that as long as the old wiki.openoffice.org redirects to the new site there should be no problem. We are certainly proud to be under the Apache domain. Pedro. Da: janI j...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Lunedì

Re: Build broken in canvas

2013-01-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hmm... I think I have a dirty build for running svn update in the middle of a build. Nevermind :(. Pedro. - Messaggio originale - Da: Pedro Giffuni  ... gmake: Nothing to be done for `allandcheck'. /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/canvas/source/cairo

FreeBSD port status

2013-01-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Just a small update; The main set of patches for building on FreeBSD were committed before 3.4 Release. I have been slowly committing the remaining FreeBSD patches trying to avoid interfering with other platforms. All this work has been done by Maho. If someone notices breakage after Revision 

Re: Build broken in canvas

2013-01-16 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thank you Armin; It will take me some time to check but I think that you hit the issue. I guess it's time to have a BSD buildbot (hi Andrew ;) ). The difference with the linux buildbot is that we try to use all the system libraries available. Pedro. Da:

Re: Build broken in canvas

2013-01-16 Thread Pedro Giffuni
for a new machine for that purpose? Then I can (if no still I can do). iPhoneから送信 2013/01/17 8:53、Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com のメッセージ: On 1/16/2013 6:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Thank you Armin; It will take me some time to check but I think that you hit the issue. I guess it's time

Re: Dictionaries?

2013-01-18 Thread Pedro Giffuni
have at least one license change (Russian?) but the bundling mechanism is actually designed to retrieve external OXT files at build time. An old Italian dictionary version was changed to Apache license too. Ask Pedro Giffuni for details. Regards, -- Gianluca Turconi Lettura gratuita o acquisto

Re: Root README file in SVN

2013-01-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Rob; Perhaps we should add a legal DISCLAIMER to the branches directory? I am aware of other projects taking code from there that we may not be releasing after all (oops). Pedro. - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  I've checked in a README file to the root of our SVN tree:

Re: Root README file in SVN

2013-01-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
I would label it DISCLAIMER to make it pristine clear. Something in the lines of: Development branches represent Work in Progress for internal use only. This code may be present in a future release but no claim is made concerning their content including licensing status or code quality.

Some development ideas

2013-01-21 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi; I am having fun with other areas of AOO so I don't have time to try this but here are some ideas in case someone wants to do further work there: 1) Update libxslt: xslt is really important in OpenOffice and libxslt 1.1.28 works just fine. 2) Enable building the boost component in python.

Re: Some development ideas

2013-01-21 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi; - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  4) Replace rtl::math::random with the random nuber generator in APR. We have a random number generator in SAL that we use for bookmarks in documents and to seed the PRNG. APR has a crypto grade number generator that could be used 

RAT scans: Re: What rights are given in an SGA

2013-01-21 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Somewhat off-topic, ma non troppo ... It would be good to tun a RAT scan over the website. We have not done anything to clean the content licensewise and we probably carry copyleft content, including code, there! Pedro.

Re: OpenOffice on Wikipedia (was: In case you missed it: The OpenOffice Wikipedia page was FUD'ed over the holidays)

2013-01-22 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  ... https://plus.google.com/111502940353406919728/posts/3CUDTZoTsAp You wrote: OO is dead, LO is alive, switch immediately. The article sorta gets that across - read the history and LibreOffice sections. Apache OpenOffice is a

Re: RAT scans: Re: What rights are given in an SGA

2013-01-22 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Andrea Pescetti  Pedro Giffuni wrote: It would be good to tun a RAT scan over the website. We have not done anything to clean the content licensewise and we probably carry copyleft content, including code, there! The website contains gigabytes

Re: [CODE][CLEANUP]: getting rid of the 3 layer office directory structure

2013-01-23 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Jürgen Schmidt  Hi, we currently still have a complex but not necessary 3 layer directory structure in the office that makes many things more complicate and is completely unnecessary. The reason why we have this is historical and not longer

Re: Hi

2013-01-24 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Michael; There are many interesting things to do with Java: we could use a general update to the code to use generics (I think Eclipse has tools for that) and we have stuff like Lucene that I am pretty sure needs a review to see where we can use the new features. hsqldb could also use

Re: Error while trying to build from svn checkout

2013-01-24 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Michael; That's pretty weird because I just built everything fine. Try svn update and if you get errors report the revision number, Pedro. Da: Michael Lam mnsyl4...@verizon.net A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Giovedì 24 Gennaio 2013 23:56

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 respin to support 8 new languages

2013-01-25 Thread Pedro Giffuni
+1 (binding) Da: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Mercoledì 23 Gennaio 2013 4:13 Oggetto: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 respin to support 8 new languages Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing a

Re: SVN

2013-01-26 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: jorge ivan poot diaz  ... Oggetto: SVN I have read about SVN, is a very useful tool for the development of projects. On this page http://lihuen.linti.unlp.edu.ar/index.php?title=C%C3% B3mo_usar_SVN there is information. I have installed the

Re: Error Building module hsqldb - Installation Source Code in AOO

2013-01-26 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Alan; My guess is that you are using a localized (non-english) environment, but JDK7 is also a know source of problems ih hsqldb. Hope that helps, Pedro.

Re: Error Building module hsqldb - Installation Source Code in AOO

2013-01-27 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Kay; - Messaggio originale - Da: Kay Schenk  On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello Alan; My guess is that you are using a localized (non-english) environment, but JDK7 is also a know source of problems ih hsqldb. Hope that helps

Re: Error Building module hsqldb - Installation Source Code in AOO

2013-01-27 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Michael; - Messaggio originale - Da: Michael Lam ..  Inviato: Domenica 27 Gennaio 2013 14:52 Oggetto: Re: Error Building module hsqldb - Installation Source Code in AOO I had the same issue but it was due to JDK7, I switch and it is working but I have a question about how

Re: Error Building module hsqldb - Installation Source Code in AOO

2013-01-27 Thread Pedro Giffuni
FWIW; The fix, according to the hsqldb guys is: One source code comments has some UTF-7 characters which cause problems. Change the string to Knuth-Morris-Pratt to fix it However the file doesn't exist in the version of hsqldb that we carry: $ file build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/lib/

Re: error building (bootstrap command)

2013-01-28 Thread Pedro Giffuni
It is unfortunately not that easy. You need to specify a lot of configure flags. Follow in detail the building guide: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO Pedro. ps. Bienvenidos!! Da: Henry Tiquet Leyva

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

2013-01-30 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; - Messaggio originale - Da: David Gerard ... A question I was wondering (for the Wikipedia article): is there any Linux distribution that presently carries AOO in its repos? I understand it's in the FreeBSD ports tree

Re: simple patch to get started

2013-01-31 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Fred; The mailing list tends to eat all attachments so your patch didn't make it :(. Perhaps you can open a Bugzilla report on this we can use some of those copy-paste services. Pedro.  Da: Fred Ollinger folli...@gmail.com A: dev@openoffice.apache.org

Re: [bikeshed] I like blue titles.

2013-02-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Da: Dave Fisher  ... Can we change the red title in the website (Call for Volunteers, as of lately) to dark blue? The reasons: - The tone of red chosen looks like it was made to fit at the last moment. It has no aesthetic coherence with the rest of the

Re: AOO build + bug fix

2013-02-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thank you  Hrishit! Just building it is a great step forward. That is a great advance indeed.  What platform are you using? We need a diff file.  On UNIX/linux you can try man diff and do something like this diff -ru original-path modified-path diff-file.patch original-path modified-path  

Re: [bikeshed] I like blue titles.

2013-02-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
to change the color. There is and it is done! It is now the same blue as the rest of the header text. Regards, Dave TMCM On Feb 1, 2013 9:43 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Da: Dave Fisher ... Can we change the red title in the website (Call

Re: [bikeshed] I like blue titles.

2013-02-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
at 6:16 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Thank you Dave! It's still perfectly visible without being too scandalous. I like it. Now for a new bikeshed ... I would use Volunteers wanted, instead of Volunteers needed ;). Semantics

Re: AOO build + bug fix

2013-02-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thank you! - Messaggio originale - Da: Hrishit Patel  On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Thank you  Hrishit! Just building it is a great step forward. That is a great advance indeed. What platform are you using? We need a diff file. On UNIX/linux you

Re: Reverting commits [was: Re: svn commit: r1441659 - /openoffice/site/trunk/templates/sidenav.mdtext

2013-02-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Tim Williams  ... Then count me uncool then. I did it and I'd do it again in similar circumstances.  It is easier to apologize to David later If I'm wrong then for us to have the trademark legally invalidated if I was right and did not act quickly.

Re: Reverting commits [was: Re: svn commit: r1441659 - /openoffice/site/trunk/templates/sidenav.mdtext

2013-02-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; You are right. My comparison was insensible and way out of line. I apologize and I will take a break from the lists for a while. Pedro.

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
...@gmail.com; pesce...@apache.org; 'Pedro Giffuni' p...@apache.org Inviato: Martedì 12 Febbraio 2013 13:11 Oggetto: RE: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0 RESOLUTION OF THE PROPOSAL The proposed change was made under CTR (Commit then Review). There has been a subsequent review and, as Don points out

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Ugh.. I haven't been following this thread at all ... I unsubscribed from the -dev list because I always ended up in absurd discussions and there was not much technical content either. I suspected it would be bikeshed.org material but in any case let me make things clear. - 0^0 = 1 is NOT

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
(OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which *is* commonly used for differentiation, we take a series of polinomials where n !=0. n is not only different than zero, most importantly, it is a constant. Of course we can use the

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; Da: Norbert Thiebaud ... On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: (OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
FWIW; - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  Of course, had I implemented quaternion math using Boost, no one would be complaining. :-P Pedro. [1] http://bikeshed.org Do it, do it, do it; PLEESSEEE. :-) Quaternions are cool.  

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
information we can revise the issue before 4.0 is released. Pedro. Da: RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com A: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org Inviato: Mercoledì 13 Febbraio 2013 10:43 Oggetto: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0 Not answering any

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Joe Schaefer   FWIW I refreshed my memory about how to compute polynomials numerically by looking back at my old copy of Numerical Recipes in C and it's always considered bad form to evaluate the terms individually, especially not by using the POWER

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  ... On 02/13/2013 02:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Independently of the vote result I will be effectively stopping the development work I intended to do on Calc as I have lost all interest on improving it given the current

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  .-- We had a committer veto.  Why are having a vote?  A -1 from a commmitter is not something we vote on.  The patch needs to be reverted, now. We actually have two *invalid* vetos I recall you aduced the change is not backwards compatible.

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Andrea; - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrea Pescetti Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Fine. I would have started the vote earlier, but it's your code so I'll respect your choice. And it's good to give people more time to think (not

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Juergen; - Messaggio originale - Da: Jürgen Schmidt  On 2/14/13 2:29 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 02/13/2013 02:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Independently of the vote result I will be effectively stopping the development work I intended to do on Calc as I have

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Juergen; - Messaggio originale - Da: Jürgen Schmidt ...   And to be honest the technical ground for the veto is in this thread, especially Norbert's mail.   As I replied to Norbert's email: the quote was taken out of context: the definition applies to some special purpose algebra

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Man.. do I have to repeat everything again? - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir And so it is clear, my technical objection is: Backwards compatibility of spreadsheet documents, and calculations specifically, is critical.  If AOO 4.0 returns results that are even a penny

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  ... OOo already has plenty of functions that give backwards incompatible results with previous versions of OOo and Symphony (which is rather crappy). atanh, asinh, erf, everything in SAL has needed continued revisions. I have not seen

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  And I should say that I'm happy to help if you or anyone else wishes to introduce a warning mode or formula lint or similar  feature that can be optionally enabled to check for possible inadvertent user errors.   As the guys from the

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir  On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir And I should say that I'm happy to help if you or anyone else wishes to introduce a warning mode or formula

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir    Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 17:31 Oggetto: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future Obviously the changes to Calc's POWER() function did not go well. IMHO, we need to better respect the rare but

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Rob; Can you confirm the platform where you got those results? Thanks, Pedro. - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org Cc: Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 16:47 Oggetto: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Dave Fisher  ... I agree that there should be no delay from the moment a veto is acknowledged to the moment the commit is reverted, and that discussions can be held after the revert. But, whenever possible, give the committer the opportunity to

:Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thats alright I just needed to know it was not linux. In the bugzilla issue Dennis had reported those were OK in some platform. Ah well, given the monster thread this caused excuse me if I dont hurry to fix it ;). Pedro.

R: Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Ugh... I think this is beating the dead horse now, but you cannot say I was unresponsive during this thread. The main question to rescue here is: How decides if a veto is valid or not? Kay#39;s veto really needed clarification and I still think that your original veto was not technical.

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 17:31 Oggetto: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thank you Herbert !! I certainly have to share that it has been a huge pleasure to work with you. The work that you and Armin and (Andre and Juergen too), is absolutely awesome. Rest assured that people like you keep me around this project. I am not leaving, I am just refocusing my priorities

Re: oracle java7 build bug

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Fred; This doesn't seem related to the jdk7 issue, I think someone else reported the same glib issue in Ubuntu. FWIW, in FreeBSD we have AOO building with jdk7 too. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/ We even carry a patch for issue 121098

Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future

2013-02-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Rob Weir ... thanks for putting some sense into this discussion. I totally agree with your point of view. and please remember accepting backwards compatibility as a technical argument is real killer which can be used to 99℅ of all commits. So

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