Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

> > b'plymouth-scripts': 121 > > b'plymouth': 121 > This really does not need to be on minimal installation. I agree, also it looks like in CentOS 7 minimal install there are also some bootloader-related images in /usr/share/backgrounds/* which are also pretty big. I assume the same for fedora.

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

> What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all > comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space. Can you share the script please, I am interested (also kinda embedded space I work on). -- Later, Lukas #lzap Zapletal -- devel mailing list

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

> I think in my ideal world, we would have Cockpit become capable of > interacting with PackageKit so that it could install whatever portions > of the system the admin wanted to manage on demand, rather than ahead > of time. Why not dnf API? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/25/2015 07:00 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> I think in my ideal world, we would have Cockpit become capable >> of interacting with PackageKit so that it could install whatever >> portions of the system the admin wanted to manage on demand, >>

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On 19/11/15 09:11, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.11.2015 um 01:46 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: 2. What about non-glibc stuff? /usr/share/locale/ is 800MB on my system. It would be nice to trim this down too. Afaics, #156477 or the glibc subpackaging proposal will not help here at

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

Am 19.11.2015 um 01:46 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: 2. What about non-glibc stuff? /usr/share/locale/ is 800MB on my system. It would be nice to trim this down too. Afaics, #156477 or the glibc subpackaging proposal will not help here at all 800 MB? on my desktop it's 459 MB

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 09:16:53AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 19/11/15 09:11, Reindl Harald wrote: > > >Am 19.11.2015 um 01:46 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > >>2. What about non-glibc stuff? /usr/share/locale/ is 800MB on my > >>system. It > >> would be nice to trim this down too.

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:30:54PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > b'dnf-plugins-core': 117 > Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it. Since protected_packages is part of this, I don't agree. Sure, it's technically removable, but if someone starts from minimal and builds

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 17:36 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > > > > "DW" == Dan Williams writes: > > DW> Could you confirm what NetworkManager-* packages are installed on > DW> F23 server? > > On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my > kickstart

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

> "DW" == Dan Williams writes: DW> I suppose NM-tui could be pulled out of Server since not that many DW> other things require newt, and nmcli is always going to be there DW> anyway. For some reason I thought NM-tui _was_ nmcli. There's no reason to have anything other

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:30:54PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >> > b'dnf-plugins-core': 117 >> Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it. > > Since protected_packages is part of this, I

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:32 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > > > > "DW" == Dan Williams writes: > > DW> I suppose NM-tui could be pulled out of Server since not that > many > DW> other things require newt, and nmcli is always going to be there > DW> anyway. > > For some

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/2015 01:43 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:32 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>> "DW" == Dan Williams writes: >> >> DW> I suppose NM-tui could be pulled out of Server since not >> that many DW>

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

Dne 17.11.2015 v 11:00 Stef Walter napsal(a): > On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) >> >> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way >> Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 06:17 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> b'NetworkManager': 138 > > NM does have a larger dep-chain than we'd like, however we did > split the package apart a couple releases ago and

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

Dne 17.11.2015 v 02:39 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): > b'dnf-plugins-core': 117 Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it. > b'plymouth-scripts': 121 > b'plymouth': 121 This really does not need to be on minimal installation. And you can save a lot of data if you purge

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 17.11.2015 v 02:39 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): >> b'dnf-plugins-core': 117 > Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it. > >> b'plymouth-scripts': 121 >> b'plymouth': 121 > This really does not

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On 17/11/15 17:03, Pádraig Brady wrote: > On 17/11/15 01:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) >> >> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way >> Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:15:58PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 02:01:56PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Is there any progress on > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging > > I think it's this BZ: > >

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 02:01:56PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Is there any progress on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging I think it's this BZ: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=156477 in which case it looks like it's done (I didn't

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my JLT> kickstart file) I have: JLT> NetworkManager-glib-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64 JLT> NetworkManager-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64 JLT> NetworkManager-libnm-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64 JLT>

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/16/2015 08:39 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > With these two goals in mind, the most obvious approach to improving > this situation would be by reducing the number of packages installed > by default on the Minimal and Fedora Server installs.

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > 10 Longest dependency chains > b'abrt-addon-python3': 170 > b'abrt-retrace-client': 171 > b'abrt-addon-pstoreoops': 171 > b'abrt-addon-ccpp': 183 > b'abrt-addon-vmcore': 190 > b'rolekit': 196 > b'abrt-cli': 214 > b'cockpit':

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Nov 17, 2015 01:25, "Martijn Ras" wrote: > > What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space. > > I know, this strips copyright headers. > > Maybe the minimal packages can be split in two,

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:39:24PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Largest 10 packages > 14288083: coreutils > 14486819: glibc > 18024040: kernel-modules > 27253403: systemd I've been working on making systemd packaging slightly more modular:

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 11:16 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> 10 Longest dependency chains b'abrt-addon-python3': >> 170 b'abrt-retrace-client': 171 b'abrt-addon-pstoreoops': 171 >>

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On 17/11/15 01:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) > > To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way > Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora > Server install media) is also Too

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > b'NetworkManager': 138 NM does have a larger dep-chain than we'd like, however we did split the package apart a couple releases ago and made sure that WWAN, WiFi, and Bluetooth were no longer required for the server cases. Could you

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

> "DW" == Dan Williams writes: DW> Could you confirm what NetworkManager-* packages are installed on DW> F23 server? On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my kickstart file) I have: NetworkManager-glib-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:39:24PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > 1) Reduce disk space usage. While disk space on physical devices is > becoming trivially cheap, disk space on Cloud deployments and rented > virtual servers is still comparatively very expensive. We really want > to minimize the

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: > > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the > > system is a virtual machine, and automatically select for installation > > the _appropriate_ guest

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the > system is a virtual machine, and automatically select for installation > the _appropriate_ guest agents for the detected hypervisor, rather > than _all_ of them,

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 03:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: >>> Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether >>> the

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space. I know, this strips copyright headers. Maybe the minimal packages can be split in two, by moving the comments to a separate package? -- devel mailing list

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) > > To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way > Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora > Server install media) is also

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 05:00 AM, Stef Walter wrote: > On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the >> Reply-To.) >> >> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install >> is Way

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:09:50PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: > > > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the > > > system is a virtual

Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora Server install media) is also Too Big.