Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 03/06/2014 06:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 03:50:37PM +0100, drago01 wrote: For instance we named a release beefy miracle and that might have been offensive for some people (ex. in India)., but apparently no one cared enough to officially complain. Additionally,

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread H . Guémar
Hi, I don't think that worrying about perpetuating offensive stereotypes is specifc to the US, we have similar controversies in Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banania#Controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet#Controversies Anyway, the line between what is acceptable and

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/06/2014 09:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 03:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly did file a complaint against generic-logos which has a similar problem with Fedora Board which in turn dismissed my

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread drago01
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 03/06/2014 09:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 03:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly did file a complaint against

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 03/07/2014 10:59 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Hi, I don't think that worrying about perpetuating offensive stereotypes is specifc to the US, we have similar controversies in Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banania#Controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet#Controversies Well, read

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/07/2014 11:53 AM, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 03/06/2014 09:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 03:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-03-07 12:16 GMT+01:00 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de: On 03/07/2014 11:53 AM, drago01 wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681339#c31 OK, that's better than nothing, but this still is just one individual's position and is far from being an official position. See

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/07/2014 02:32 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-03-07 12:16 GMT+01:00 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de mailto:rc040...@freenet.de: On 03/07/2014 11:53 AM, drago01 wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681339#c31 OK, that's better than nothing, but this still

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 03/07/2014 10:59 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Hi, I don't think that worrying about perpetuating offensive stereotypes is specifc to the US, we have similar controversies in Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banania#Controversy

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread drago01
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 03/07/2014 10:59 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Hi, I don't think that worrying about perpetuating offensive stereotypes is specifc to the US, we have similar

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 22:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: There is at least one starkly obvious difference there, which is that you choose your religious beliefs and affiliations; you do not choose your race/color/general genetic origin. Well people can choose to not be offended by random images

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread drago01
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 22:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: There is at least one starkly obvious difference there, which is that you choose your religious beliefs and affiliations; you do not choose your race/color/general

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.03.2014 23:33, schrieb Adam Williamson: On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 22:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: There is at least one starkly obvious difference there, which is that you choose your religious beliefs and affiliations; you do not choose your race/color/general genetic origin. Well people

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 23:57 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 22:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: There is at least one starkly obvious difference there, which is that you choose your religious beliefs and

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 02:06 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 03:57:02PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * #1230Requesting FESCo address Cherokee logo issue (notting, 18:48:47) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1230 (notting,

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
sgallagh wrote: Seriously? Retiring useful package? Isn't that a bit of overkill? (Yes, I'm grumpy because I'm using Cherokee). This has been discussed ad nauseam. The reasoning was that upstream ships imagery that is in violation of Fedora's policy not to ship offensive material. [...]

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com wrote: sgallagh wrote: Seriously? Retiring useful package? Isn't that a bit of overkill? (Yes, I'm grumpy because I'm using Cherokee). This has been discussed ad nauseam. The reasoning was that upstream ships imagery that

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 15:50:37 +0100, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: For instance we named a release beefy miracle and that might have been offensive for some people (ex. in India)., but apparently no one cared enough to officially complain. That depends on what you mean by official. I

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:50 AM, drago01 wrote: For instance we named a release beefy miracle and that might have been offensive for some people (ex. in India)., but apparently no one cared enough to officially complain. I certainly did file a complaint against generic-logos which has a

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 03:50:37PM +0100, drago01 wrote: For instance we named a release beefy miracle and that might have been offensive for some people (ex. in India)., but apparently no one cared enough to officially complain. Additionally, there is a fundamental difference here. The

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 03:50:37PM +0100, drago01 wrote: For instance we named a release beefy miracle and that might have been offensive for some people (ex. in India)., but apparently no one cared enough to

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 15:50:37 +0100, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: For instance we named a release beefy miracle and that might have been offensive for some people (ex. in India)., but apparently no one cared

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly did file a complaint against generic-logos which has a similar problem with Fedora Board which in turn dismissed my concern and failed to answer my follow up question and I gave up on it. That is of course artwork that Fedora itself is upstream of rather than

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 03:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly did file a complaint against generic-logos which has a similar problem with Fedora Board which in turn dismissed my concern and failed to answer my follow up question

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 03:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 03/06/2014 03:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly did file a complaint against generic-logos which has a similar problem with Fedora Board which in turn dismissed my

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-06 Thread Björn Persson
Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2014 03:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 03/06/2014 03:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: I certainly did file a complaint against generic-logos which has a similar problem with Fedora Board which

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-03-05) === Meeting started by sgallagh at 17:59:49 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-03-05/fesco.2014-03-05-17.59.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-05 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 03:57:02PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * #1230Requesting FESCo address Cherokee logo issue (notting, 18:48:47) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1230 (notting, 18:48:47) * AGREED: FESCo decision reiterated. Package will be retired Monday