Re: [SailfishDevel] Innovative app store. Or just a traditional one

2013-11-06 Thread Luciano Montanaro
Oh, yes, that's a good option, and I just got my Quando Parte Train timetable application ported to Sailfish OS, I hope I will be able to upload it to my repo this evening! I hope to see Openrepos grow in functionality but it is already quite useful as it is. Best regards, Luciano On Wed,

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Karl Granström
Ahoy all, Today we're launching Jolla Harbour harbour.jolla.com, the portal for submitting applications to the Jolla Store. You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able to install them directly from their Jolla phones. Here are some details about Jolla Harbour: Joining

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Benoît HERVIER
Hi, Great news. I take the opportunity to ask if there will be a service to test apps remotely on real device in the future. Currently ownNotes is working fine in the emulator, but someone report me that my app complains about missing libc.so.6 on a real device. Thanks, Regards Le

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
Please more information about Harbour: - it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some libraries, required as depends for my appliction? - does it acts as repository? On 06.11.2013 17:06, Karl Granström wrote: Ahoy all, Today we're launching Jolla Harbour harbour.jolla.com, the

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Jonni Rainisto
HI, AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only depend on common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires field. re, Jonni From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Andrey

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
Actually mean uploading application with its depends. Application goes to applications, depends goes to sailfish harbour depends repository. If not we still need OpenRepos for Sailfish :) On 06.11.2013 18:27, Jonni Rainisto wrote: HI, AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can

[SailfishDevel] Loading installed images

2013-11-06 Thread Mark Johnson
I'm working on a graphics editing project where the user can perform some rudimentary drawing and having a problem when trying to load in sample images that are included with the install. In the project file structure I've got a folder called samples which has some png images. In the yaml

Re: [SailfishDevel] Loading installed images

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
deploy as rpm package. binary deploying suitable if you dont know anything what to do :D On 06.11.2013 18:35, Mark Johnson wrote: I'm working on a graphics editing project where the user can perform some rudimentary drawing and having a problem when trying to load in sample images that are

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Marcin M.
And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases, databases depend on the free app) -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com Good point, thanks! On 06.11.2013 18:30, Jonni Rainisto wrote: And if some good library is missing, and you are willing to

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Jonni Rainisto
Hi, AFAIK. Currently you can only depend on mer/nemomobile packages, you cannot depend on store packages. re, Jonni From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Marcin M. [marmistrz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread David Greaves
Looking back a little: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html David On 06/11/13 15:34, Marcin M. wrote: And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases, databases depend on the free app) -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Mohammed Hassan
I don't see it as a pity. I see it as an opportunity for everyone to push their libraries and stuff to mer/nemo/sailfish. An advantage of SailfishOS is that everyone can contribute and have their own applications, libraries and tools there. Just my 0.02 Cheers, On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Marcin M.
It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an in-app-purchase system, it wouldn't be so bad :) -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Mohammed Hassan mohammed.has...@jollamobile.com I don't see it as a pity. I see it as an

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
Opensource dies here :D On 06.11.2013 22:12, Marcin M. wrote: It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an in-app-purchase system, it wouldn't be so bad :) -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Mohammed Hassan

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Marcin M.
Openrepos bear here :) -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com Opensource dies here :D On 06.11.2013 22:12, Marcin M. wrote: It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread 郭云鹤
i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many problems. 郭云鹤(Guo Yunhe) http://guoyunhe.me/ 在 2013-11-7 上午12:13,Marcin M. marmistrz...@gmail.com写道: It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Benoît HERVIER
But apps shipping his own libraries mean not updated library, and could be a mess if there is a security issue on one of it s libs ... There is always advantages and problems :) Le 2013-11-06 17:25, 郭云鹤 a écrit : i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Marcin M.
No dependencies mean problems too... -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net But apps shipping his own libraries mean not updated library, and could be a mess if there is a security issue on one of it s libs ... There is always advantages and problems :) Le 2013-11-06

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
Okay. Next question about depends: - which nemo repositories will be enabled as libraries sources? - what is procedure of including libraries to this repositories? the main point is building gui separate from library and update only gui/library when need. it good choice when both gui and

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Tone Kastlunger
Bad Gateway for me atm :( But anyways awesome news! :)!! Go Jolla! Looking forward for the support of paying apps! tortoisedoc On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Marcin M. marmistrz...@gmail.com wrote: And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases, databases depend on the free

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Martin Grimme
Hi, 2013/11/6, 郭云鹤 guoyunhebr...@gmail.com: i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many problems. I think the same. While having deps and libraries and everything is cool from a Linuxer's point of view, it will give a bad user experience and just cry for breaking

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Marcin M.
If everything handled correctly (assuming no 3rd party lib updates) what bad can happen? -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Martin Grimme martin.gri...@gmail.com Hi, 2013/11/6, 郭云鹤 guoyunhebr...@gmail.com: i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many problems. I think the

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Marcin M.
And somehow Debian and Ubuntu and ... do well it with real depends... -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Marcin M. marmistrz...@gmail.com If everything handled correctly (assuming no 3rd party lib updates) what bad can happen? -- Marcin 2013/11/6 Martin Grimme martin.gri...@gmail.com Hi,

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread khertan
An analogy with boat about apps including his own libs : https://mobile.twitter.com/usmanm/status/388407160159211520/photo/1?screen_name=usmanm#!/usmanm/status/388407160159211520/photo/1?screen_name=usmanm :p -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.netLe 06/11/13 18:33 Marcin M. a écrit : And

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Tone Kastlunger
I have no major comments on dependencies, provided that: a) they are strictly @ app-level, ie no OS dependencies (unless hacked) b) they do not break after device updates c) they are transparent to the user (except the eventual download part) Best, tortoisedoc On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:51 PM,

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Benoît HERVIER
Nope, i was just joking :) Le 2013-11-06 18:51, Andrey Kozhevnikov a écrit : lol, really? you think developing own libraries sucks? arent you developed something really BIG? On 06.11.2013 23:47, kher...@khertan.net wrote: An analogy with boat about apps including his own libs :

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Martin Grimme
2013/11/6, Marcin M. marmistrz...@gmail.com: And somehow Debian and Ubuntu and ... do well it with real depends... Well, Ubuntu and Debian are both dead slow on package management, and the main reason for that is a fancy dependencies resolving system. Still, if you add some 3rd party repos to

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Benoît HERVIER
Hi, I notice something that could be a bug, when an error 504 occurs during the upload of a binary or icon you can remove the file and retry the upload, but when it s happen in screenshots of the app, you can't remove it and retry. Regards Le 2013-11-06 12:06, Karl Granström a écrit :

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Attila Csipa
On 06-Nov-13 03:06, Karl Granström wrote: Today we're launching Jolla Harbour harbour.jolla.com, the portal for submitting applications to the Jolla Store. You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able to install them directly from their Jolla phones. The dry dock and

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Roberto Colistete Jr.
I support packages with the option to use dependencies in mobile OS : - about Sailfish OS, I feel managing RPM packages is faster than than DEB packages; - current (2013) smartphones are fast (dual or quad core @ 1,0 GHz, fast flash memory, etc), equivalent to low cost net/notebooks some

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Attila Csipa
On 06-Nov-13 13:05, Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote: - current (2013) smartphones are fast (dual or quad core @ 1,0 GHz, fast flash memory, etc), equivalent to low cost net/notebooks some years ago, so it is not a problem to have repositories with thousands of packages; Luckily we all live in the

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Michal Jerz
Hi guys, It's a great news about the store, and a great name, too. I have 9 applications ported to Sailfish OS from Harmattan/Symbian, but they're commercial, so I hope that submission of paid apps will soon be allowed as well... Anyway, I also have a few remarks regarding the current

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Roberto Colistete Jr.
Em 06-11-2013 19:26, Attila Csipa escreveu: On 06-Nov-13 13:05, Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote: - current (2013) smartphones are fast (dual or quad core @ 1,0 GHz, fast flash memory, etc), equivalent to low cost net/notebooks some years ago, so it is not a problem to have repositories with

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Martin Kolman
6.11.2013 22:33, Roberto Colistete Jr.: snip: And Mer/Nemo Mobile/Sailfish don't use .deb, but .rpm packages. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list Yep, and as anyone can easily try, zypper on Nemo is blazing fast. And regarding repository size,

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Attila Csipa
On 06-Nov-13 13:33, Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote: 1st Jolla smartphone I expect to be 4-6 times the speed of Nokia N9. ... and all of that still doesn't address the crux of problem: Desktop-style Linux distros rely on having to have all the data LOCALLY and doing the dependency resolution on

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
And please tell about possible ways for paying for application and developer ways to receive funds. On 07.11.2013 03:29, Michal Jerz wrote: Hi guys, It's a great news about the store, and a great name, too. I have 9 applications ported to Sailfish OS from Harmattan/Symbian, but they're

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-06 Thread Michal Jerz
Andrey Kozhevnikov wrote: And please tell about possible ways for paying for application and developer ways to receive funds Right. Will the store support in-app purchase? Will it support subscriptions? Will there be any in-app advertising system/network offered by Jolla, so that in-app