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Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re:
Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?
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(reverse engineering
disclosed specifications for agp
cards?
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
Not unless you're using the electron microscope somehow to break
into ATI or Nvidia headquarters, perhaps
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 05:41 am, Ryan Underwood wrote:
It usually
works pretty well for simple stuff and especially things connected to
e.g. serial and parallel ports, because you can get a log of all the port
writes for a given function and work
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On Tuesday 03 February 2004 6:42 pm, Alexander Stohr wrote:
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Knut J Bjuland wrote:
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:52:53 +0100
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Subject: Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for
R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had them
and not a lot of people saying I've got em... :)
And in any way, i guess this doesn't include the
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Ian Romanick wrote:
where is the docs for the VSA based cards (voodoo4/voodoo5)? I have
been unable to locate them.
In a chest in a basement at Nvidia somewhere, with a lock on it,
behind a bunch of old filing cabinets, in a room at the end of a
very long hallway, with
Brad Hards wrote:
Is it possible to insert a shim in the Windows video call chain? We
have
something like that for USB
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/) and
it works pretty well.
Do you mean between a Windows display driver and the PCI bus, so that
you can snaggle all the I/O port
On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:16:44PM +1100, Brad Hards wrote:
Is it possible to insert a shim in the Windows video call chain? We have
something like that for USB (http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/) and
it works pretty well.
Alternatively, are there tools (even for pay) that can
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:42:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
There are some 3dlabs and mga databooks floating around on the net but I
don't know if they are legal to obtain/link to.
Well, there is documentation for 3Dlabs permedia2 floating around, and i
believe it is legal. They were
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Shaul Karl wrote:
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
hardware.
The list of vendors that freely publish their
On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 19:19, Shaul Karl wrote:
As for the claim that some people might give up on buying
new hardware, creating a secondary market for his old hardware should
compensate for it because it should give him a bigger share of the market
for new hardware too.
I've personally gone
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
Mike A. Harris wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the
R300 specs under NDA.
Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for
R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had them
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the
R300 specs under NDA.
Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the
R300 specs under NDA.
Is
--- Ryan Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
That's not entirely true... Some people do
Knut J Bjuland wrote:
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000
works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean
On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 09:21 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote:
Knut J Bjuland wrote:
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e
R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000
Ryan Underwood wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:24:24AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
Matrox (82)
None of Matrox's specs are public, but some where once avail
under NDA. They no longer appear to be available from their
private developer website, unless I am looking in the wrong
place.
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 12:21:07PM -0500, Michael Taylor wrote:
AFAIK they don't answer developer relations requests anymore for open
source folks. At least I've never had a request accepted, and I've been
Does any developers here have access to specs for new-ish Matrox cards like the
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:42:59PM +, Torgeir Veimo wrote:
Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000
works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean
nothing
but 011010111010110111) of a memory image.
You could probably figure out the
Mike A. Harris wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
where is the docs for the VSA based cards (voodoo4/voodoo5)? I have
been unable to locate them.
In a chest in a basement at Nvidia somewhere, with a lock on it,
behind a bunch of old filing cabinets, in a room at the end of a
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
full specifications as the headline does say is more than just the
register
Ryan Underwood wrote:
Your request for free publication is undeniably idealistic. I think it
is a perfectly reasonable compromise to provide specs under NDA to
developers who have shown themselves to be productive and trustworthy in
the past, e.g. by contributing to XFree86 or producing and
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:55:29PM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
Your request for free publication is undeniably idealistic. I think it
is a perfectly reasonable compromise to provide specs under NDA to
developers who have shown themselves to be productive and trustworthy in
the past, e.g.
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:05:28AM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
The problem is that none of the NDAs I have seen (which is not that
many) explicitly give you the rights to release source code based on
documentation on NDA. If you happen to work for a company that is
extremely cautious
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:19:01PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
What about freely publish the documentation for older chips? That
should help both the beginner developer to find his way around and the
chip manufacturer push the terms he is using and his general way of
doing things.
Oh, I'd
Ryan Underwood wrote:
I agree. To illuminate that point, a friend of mine applied for a NDA
with Xerox to develop a Ghostscript filter for some of their inkjet
printers. Upon receiving the NDA document, he realized that it
specifically barred him from releasing any source code that he would
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
hardware.
2) Got themselves an X driver?
As of the time of this writing,
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:43:17PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
hardware.
2) Got themselves
--- Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:43:17PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer,
what
manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 11:47:19AM -0800, Alex Deucher wrote:
SMI (silicon motion) publishes full specs for their chips, however, I'm
not sure you can find an agp card with an SMI chip on it. usually they
are in notebooks and pdas.
specs are also available for 3dfx chips.
where is the
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:43:17PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
hardware.
2) Got
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