Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 09/21/2011 05:33 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 04:43:38PM +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: And that's always fine and dandy if these issues are resolved in a reasonable amount of time. Right now Rawhide has packages with dependencies broken since pre-F15. This isn't acceptable.

Re: Buildroot overrides in Rawhide, was: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-09-22 Thread Paul Howarth
On 09/21/2011 04:49 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:23:52 -0600 Jerry Jamesloganje...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Bruno Wolff IIIbr...@wolff.to wrote: Chain building is allowed for rawhide to help get groups of packages built. The chain-build facility

Re: grub1 support in grubby

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 09:05:19PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: Given the grub1/grub2 discussion that is going on, I could use some info about the state of grubby's support for grub1. The virtual machine images that the Cloud SIG publishes on Amazon EC2 do not require bootloaders, but

Re: grub1 support in grubby

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:58:53AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: (In short, pvgrub! I thought that was dead and buried a long time ago ..) Of course I'm confusing this with PyGrub, that was the old horrible thing. PvGrub is the shiny new thing. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization

Re: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/20/2011 01:12 PM, Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Tue Sep 20 08:15:41 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- This breakage is weird: hosts3d-1.13-2.fc15.x86_64 requires libglfw.so.2.6()(64bit) In Fedora 16, libglfw

Re: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Kalev Lember
On 09/22/2011 12:05 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/20/2011 01:12 PM, Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Tue Sep 20 08:15:41 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- This breakage is weird: hosts3d-1.13-2.fc15.x86_64 requires

Re: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2011 11:31 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: On 09/22/2011 12:05 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/20/2011 01:12 PM, Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Tue Sep 20 08:15:41 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- This breakage is weird:

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 15:54 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 09/21/2011 03:39 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 18:48 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Remember that the incompatibility isn't between libguestfs and the guest, it's between the host grub and the guest grub. Both of

Re: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 09/22/2011 11:31 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: On 09/22/2011 12:05 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/20/2011 01:12 PM, Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Tue Sep 20 08:15:41 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- This breakage is weird:

Re: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Kalev Lember
On 09/22/2011 12:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/22/2011 11:31 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: Depends on how you want to resolve this. If you are going for resurrecting the packages, then fix them up to build again and submit new package review requests. I have a version of libglfw which is

Re: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2011 01:11 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: On 09/22/2011 12:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/22/2011 11:31 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: Depends on how you want to resolve this. If you are going for resurrecting the packages, then fix them up to build again and submit new package review

Re: Askbot - Additional dependencies to be packaged

2011-09-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/20/2011 05:32 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: Hi, just a short status update: * multi-registry https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739904 * python-wordpress-xmlrpc https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739908 * python-import-utils (already reviewed and approved) *

Looking at retiring chess

2011-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I was hoping to be able to work on a forked version of chess and have it replace chess in Fedora, but I haven't had time to learn enough about ogre to do this, and chess is broken enough now that there is no point in including it any more. So I am looking at retiring it in f16+. The current

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2011-09-22 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) Please resolve this as soon

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:35AM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Sigh. I was joking. Obviously, if maintainers went around inserting Conflicts with other packages because they don't like how the other package works, then there'd be an order of magnitude more unpleasantness on fedora-devel.

[Test-Announce] Fedora 16 Beta to slip by one week.

2011-09-22 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Late yesterday at the Go/No-Go meeting it was decided to slip the Beta release of F16 by one week [1]. Minutes follow below. There are numerous unresolved blockers at this time [2], resulting in the inability to compose a viable release candidate. As a result, ALL MAJOR MILESTONES, and their

Re: grub1 support in grubby

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 12:05 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: Given the grub1/grub2 discussion that is going on, I could use some info about the state of grubby's support for grub1. The virtual machine images that the Cloud SIG publishes on Amazon EC2 do not require bootloaders, but they do require

Re: Buildroot overrides in Rawhide, was: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:32:11 +0100 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org wrote: ...snip... The first package is already in the build root. Yes, but there's still a wait until it's actually available to build against, though it's usually a wait of less than an hour rather than the next day.

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:05 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:35AM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Sigh. I was joking. Obviously, if maintainers went around inserting Conflicts with other packages because they don't like how the other package works, then there'd be

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:15:38AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: I hope you don't suggest for every rebuild of few dependent packages one FESCo ticket. This is what is currently required to ask FES for help. It is certainly a lot better and more efficient to open one FESCo and one FES

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 04:50:16PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:05 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: The grub maintainer is telling you that the way in which you're trying to use grub is broken. You *need* to use the grub files that are in guest, not the host. This

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2011 05:58 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:15:38AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: I hope you don't suggest for every rebuild of few dependent packages one FESCo ticket. This is what is currently required to ask FES for help. It is certainly a lot better and more

[Test-Announce] 2011-09-09 @ 17:00 UTC - F16 Beta Blocker Bug Review #5

2011-09-22 Thread Tim Flink
# F16 Beta Blocker Review meeting #5 # Date: 2011-09-23 # Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net The fifth (and hopefully final) Fedora 16 beta blocker bug review meeting will be this Friday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-bugzappers. We'll be

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 04:50:16PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:05 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: The grub maintainer is telling you that the way in which you're trying to use grub is broken. You *need* to

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 11:23 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote: solve a part of the problem how can you even consider removing the ability for disabling dnssec when implementing and deploying and running dnssec increases the complexity times hundred and

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub provides no mechanism for you to know that, which means you can't reliably know that. Which means relying on them being compatible is incorrect. You described

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 12:37 +0200, Adam Tkac wrote: On 09/20/2011 05:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching

Orphaning packages

2011-09-22 Thread Vivek Shah
Hi, Owing to limited time recently I have been unable to look into my packages and so I am orphaning the following packages: agave gnujump mausezahn moe peppy gnurobots It would be nice if someone can pick them up. Thanks and Regards, Vivek -- devel mailing list

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/09/22 17:37 (GMT+0100) Matthew Garrett composed: There is no rational reason to have grub and grub2 installed on the same system at once, and having them both there increases the complexity of the system. For which definition of system? My systems typically contain 20 or more

[Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Tom Callaway
Here are the latest changes to the Fedora Packaging Guidelines: --- The section of the Packaging Guidelines regarding Compiler Flags has been updated and improved, most notably, to document handling of PIE enabled packages. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Compiler_flags ---

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 01:06:51PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: Here are the latest changes to the Fedora Packaging Guidelines: --- The section of the Packaging Guidelines regarding Compiler Flags has been updated and improved, most notably, to document handling of PIE enabled packages.

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Tom Callaway
On 09/22/2011 01:36 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: That should be ... adds -fPIE (if -fPIC is not already present) ... I'd say. At least I hope that's what the spec change does, the initial version did that. No, I'm fairly sure that it only adds -fPIC in scenarios where -fPIE is not already passed.

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread David Airlie
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub provides no mechanism for you to know that, which means you can't reliably know that. Which means relying on them being compatible is incorrect.

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 01:59:33PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: On 09/22/2011 01:36 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: That should be ... adds -fPIE (if -fPIC is not already present) ... I'd say. At least I hope that's what the spec change does, the initial version did that. No, I'm fairly sure

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:05 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: %rename cc1_options rh_cc1_options_old

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:02:15PM -0400, David Airlie wrote: you run rpm -q grub in the guest and on the host, if they are the same nvr, then they are the same package, where's the rocket science here. No, that's not good enough. You need to know the version installed on the system, not the

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 02:02 PM, David Airlie wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub provides no mechanism for you to know that, which means you can't reliably know that. Which means relying on them being

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:18:10PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: %rename cc1_options rh_cc1_options_old

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Doug Ledford
- Original Message - On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... Which rpmdiff are we talking about here? The free/included in fedora one is not that great... it gives you files and deps that changed, but that doesn't help you

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: But I'm not really familiar with unbound. Is it a long-running service? Yes, It's a fully dnssec validating caching resolver. You start it at boot and leave it running. What does its config file look like? Does it re-read config data on SIGHUP? You

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:22 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: Such packages would be broken and would fail to link without hardening or at least have text relocations too. Packagers shouldn't rely on this spec hack to fix up their packaging bugs (or upstream bugs), the hack should be just about

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:18 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: You described yourself how libguestfs could check it. And failing libguestfs doing it, the user could be warned to check it. 'check' it? And what's the user expected to do if they're incorrect? Crowbar Ubuntu's grub2 into Fedora, or

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:37:39PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub provides no mechanism for you to know that, which means you can't reliably know that. Which

Re: Looking at retiring chess

2011-09-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 06:47, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I was hoping to be able to work on a forked version of chess and have it replace chess in Fedora, but I haven't had time to learn enough about ogre to do this, and chess is broken enough now that there is no point in

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:38:54PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:37:39PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: I described something that is, practically speaking, impossible. We allow you to inspect the guest to find the OS version, and even versions of individual

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:18:48PM -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 09/22/2011 02:02 PM, David Airlie wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub provides no mechanism for you to know that, which means

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Doug Ledford
I think that's largely because we don't have a community of engineers. We have a community of /packagers/ who are able to cause packages to be built, and are able to do some measure of QA to see if those builds work, but do not have the skill set to look at a code diff and give a honest

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: (And besides, your example is about the worst you could pick, since if somebody is skilled enough with package management to remove the PackageKit frontend, surely he or she knows what to do if zif wants to pick the

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread David Airlie
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:02:15PM -0400, David Airlie wrote: you run rpm -q grub in the guest and on the host, if they are the same nvr, then they are the same package, where's the rocket science here. No, that's not good enough. You need to know the version installed on the system,

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:38:26AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:18 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: You described yourself how libguestfs could check it. And failing libguestfs doing it, the user could be warned to check it. 'check' it? And what's the user expected

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Doug Ledford wrote: - Original Message - On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... Which rpmdiff are we talking about here? The free/included in fedora one is not that great... it gives you files

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:45:11AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Peter Jones wrote: On 09/22/2011 02:02 PM, David Airlie wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Doug Ledford
- Original Message - I'm just trying to test how well zif handles the multple provider case and understand how it makes the judgment on what is installed. There's probably a pretty strong argument to be made that if package A requires foo, and packages B, C, and D all provide foo,

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 02:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:18:48PM -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 09/22/2011 02:02 PM, David Airlie wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: grub provides

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:38:54PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:37:39PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: We allow you to inspect the guest to find the OS version, and even versions of

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:51:40PM -0400, Peter Jones wrote: Oh, my mistake. That being beside the point, it pretty much means any VM created in a previous OS release won't work. In any case I totally disagree with your idea of security, as I mentioned at the time. It makes things worse, not

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 19:47 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I hate to say it, but honestly, this thread looks pretty clear-cut to an outsider: pjones and mjg59 are correct, and you and rwmj are incorrect. Their arguments that it is fundamentally unsafe to use the host's grub or, even

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:44:00PM -0400, David Airlie wrote: Nicely editing out of the other use-case I supplied. grub and grub2 *packages* don't install into the same few bytes. I thought you were good at backing up arguments with technical reasons, not strawmen. The argument is

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:33:07PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:22 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: Such packages would be broken and would fail to link without hardening or at least have text relocations too. Packagers shouldn't rely on this spec hack to fix up their

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
snip If people are testing this it would be good if they could test the unit files for this too on F15+ hosts. Afaik I have already converted the whole xelerance.com stuff and it's just laying there in bugzilla. Create the relevant files in there relevant paths then run... systemctl

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:58:35PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:44:00PM -0400, David Airlie wrote: Nicely editing out of the other use-case I supplied. grub and grub2 *packages* don't install into the same few bytes. I thought you were good at backing up

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - I'm just trying to test how well zif handles the multple provider case and understand how it makes the judgment on what is installed. There's probably a pretty strong argument to be made

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 03:27 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:51:40PM -0400, Peter Jones wrote: Oh, my mistake. That being beside the point, it pretty much means any VM created in a previous OS release won't work. In any case I totally disagree with your idea of security, as I

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Doug Ledford
- Original Message - Wow... just wow. -jefplease hold while koji asks you a series of questions concerning multiple provider cascades to pre-populate the build environment for your rawhide scratch build that you have just requestedspaleta You can always have a switch to provide the

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:26 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: But I'm not really familiar with unbound. Is it a long-running service? Yes, It's a fully dnssec validating caching resolver. You start it at boot and leave it running. What does its

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 13:43, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - Wow... just wow. -jefplease hold while koji asks you a series of questions concerning multiple provider cascades to pre-populate the build environment for your rawhide scratch build that you

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Doug Ledford
- Original Message - Having more things installed on the host means a larger attack surface. Not if the host is properly locked down. And given that guests typically have more open services, and therefore a larger remote attack surface, the more there is in the guest, the less secure

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Doug Ledford
- Original Message - I can understand in the case where you have some knowledge of what the various package chains do. Such cases do exist. The libibverbs package requires a libibverbs-driver in order to run. Which driver you want depends on hardware, and we don't normally install

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: right. the big problem is not working around a broken network or a network with an attacker. The problem is false positives due to the pletora of hotspot mangling techniques out there. Ideally, NetworkManager would deal with

Re: grub1 support in grubby

2011-09-22 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 09/22/2011 09:09 AM, Peter Jones wrote: Grubby will continue to support the grub 1 style config file. Just to confirm ... Does this mean that a RHEL 6/Fedora dual-boot system using grub 1 will continue to work (i.e. Fedora kernel updates will properly update the grub 1 configuration)? --

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 02:47 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: There is a further issue #2, quite orthogonal, which is that grub (upstream) doesn't support offline installation. This is a bug in grub 1 2 which really should be taken upstream. You're still missing the point here. This wasn't a design

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: You properly talk to it via unbound-control, which uses SSL certs between it and the daemon. No need to re-write config files or send it weirdo signals. Ok, this part mystifies me. I assume it just has a TCP socket listening that you talk to it on?

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:23:40PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:38:54PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:37:39PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: We allow you to

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 04:07 PM, Doug Ledford wrote: Fedora ships a virtualization environment, so while grub1 should go away as soon as possible in terms of Fedora's own use, having it around for situation 3 is not outside the scope of a reasonable request in support of Fedora's own virtualization

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/23/2011 01:39 AM, Doug Ledford wrote: - Original Message - I can understand in the case where you have some knowledge of what the various package chains do. Such cases do exist. The libibverbs package requires a libibverbs-driver in order to run. Which driver you want

Re: grub1 support in grubby

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Jones
On 09/22/2011 04:31 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 09/22/2011 09:09 AM, Peter Jones wrote: Grubby will continue to support the grub 1 style config file. Just to confirm ... Does this mean that a RHEL 6/Fedora dual-boot system using grub 1 will continue to work (i.e. Fedora kernel updates will

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:29 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: right. the big problem is not working around a broken network or a network with an attacker. The problem is false positives due to the pletora of hotspot mangling

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Jones wrote: You're basically arguing that we should never remove any software from Fedora in case it's used in a virtual machine hosted on a Fedora machine. This is not a workable scenario. Why, if the virtualization folks are willing to pick up maintainership? You won't have to

Re: Looking at retiring chess

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: If it is broken.. why not retire it now so that people don't download it, find it broken and then find out when no bugzilla reports are fixed it was dead? Packages can only be retired from upcoming releases (i.e. currently Fedora 16 and newer, as he said), not from

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jef Spaleta wrote: I fully admit that this case is meant to be indicative of a class of transactions and not a smoking gun. I was reaching for a simple to understand virtual provides scenario, in the same vein as the test cases that zif's compile time make check does already. I believe it is

[Bug 729504] perl-Dancer: please update to version 1.3071

2011-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729504 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

File boolean-0.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-boolean: 488916ac0aa8be172460e896a8a9977a boolean-0.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-boolean] update to 0.28

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 17a97f64deccefeb9ba7546edc4aa812b5ecee77 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Thu Sep 22 09:43:47 2011 +0200 update to 0.28 .gitignore|1 + perl-boolean.spec | 11 --- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) ---

File XML-RSS-LibXML-0.3102.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-XML-RSS-LibXML: 9fbc00ce70c200a22dd6438e8679d174 XML-RSS-LibXML-0.3102.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-XML-RSS-LibXML] update to 0.3102

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
commit b5cb391318ceec1214cc335b0ba4be3afd4b3d04 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Thu Sep 22 09:48:40 2011 +0200 update to 0.3102 .gitignore |1 + perl-XML-RSS-LibXML.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3

File Perl-PrereqScanner-1.007.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Perl-PrereqScanner: 456e62bbdd384b38a0f99b8580f27b78 Perl-PrereqScanner-1.007.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Perl-PrereqScanner] update to 1.007

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 00e24f09443dccf98d91e216d834bef1d8e5d90b Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Thu Sep 22 09:52:52 2011 +0200 update to 1.007 .gitignore |1 + perl-Perl-PrereqScanner.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6

[perl-Parse-Method-Signatures] update to 1.003014

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 20afaf2117c42cbfde24741ab3c248ae6032a541 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Thu Sep 22 09:55:06 2011 +0200 update to 1.003014 .gitignore|1 + perl-Parse-Method-Signatures.spec | 13 - sources |2 +- 3

File Parse-Method-Signatures-1.003014.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2011-09-22 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Parse-Method-Signatures: d56784f59a827b58e65144778955676d Parse-Method-Signatures-1.003014.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2011-09-22 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) Please resolve this as soon as

Broken dependencies: perl-Unicode-CheckUTF8

2011-09-22 Thread buildsys
perl-Unicode-CheckUTF8 has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree: On x86_64: perl-Unicode-CheckUTF8-1.03-2.fc15.x86_64 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.4) On i386: perl-Unicode-CheckUTF8-1.03-2.fc15.i686 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.4) Please resolve this as soon as

Broken dependencies: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables

2011-09-22 Thread buildsys
perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree: On x86_64: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables-0.01-2.fc15.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.4) On i386: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables-0.01-2.fc15.noarch requires

Broken dependencies: perl-Test-Version

2011-09-22 Thread buildsys
perl-Test-Version has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree: On x86_64: perl-Test-Version-1.0.0-3.fc15.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.4) On i386: perl-Test-Version-1.0.0-3.fc15.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.4) Please resolve this as soon as possible. --

Broken dependencies: perl-NOCpulse-Gritch

2011-09-22 Thread buildsys
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree: On x86_64: perl-NOCpulse-Gritch-1.27.9-1.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) On i386: perl-NOCpulse-Gritch-1.27.9-1.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) Please resolve this as soon as

Broken dependencies with Fedora 16 + updates-testing - 2011-09-23

2011-09-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
The following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies: == The results in this summary consider Test Updates! == package:

Fedora 16 Beta to slip by one week.

2011-09-22 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Late yesterday at the Go/No-Go meeting it was decided to slip the Beta release of F16 by one week [1]. Minutes follow below. There are numerous unresolved blockers at this time [2], resulting in the inability to compose a viable release candidate. As a result, ALL MAJOR MILESTONES, and their