[freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
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[freenet-dev] Cleaning up fproxy

2002-09-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
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[freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread fish
Most of this sounds pretty good. Firstly, a stupid question - is there any reason to seperate "data blocks" and "check blocks"? As far as the FEC encoder/decoder knows, they're just blocks, right? I mean, that's the whole *point* of it (you need any k blocks of n in order to decode a file).

[freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
s having two > encoders, given that the facilities are there, and let the best codec win > :-p. > > > -- Matthew Toseland mtoseland at blueyonder.co.uk amphibian at sourceforge.net Freenet/Coldstore open source hacker. Employed full time by Freenet Project Inc. from 11/9/02 to 1

[freenet-dev] Cleaning up fproxy

2002-09-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 12 September 2002 08:42, you wrote: > However, you were never able to insert a *site* by fproxy. This would be > a useful feature, no? :) This is exactly the kind of feature that doesn't belong in a bloated monolithic fproxy, but which could easily be implemented as a separate

[freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 12 September 2002 08:40, you wrote: > > Anyhow, the other point I wished to make, is that from looking at your > > information, it seems like it would be far more convinent still to just > > call the onionnetworks library direclty - okay, yeah, I see the > > usefulness of this for

[freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 12 September 2002 05:37, you wrote: > Most of this sounds pretty good. > > Firstly, a stupid question - is there any reason to seperate "data blocks" > and "check blocks"? As far as the FEC encoder/decoder knows, they're just > blocks, right? I mean, that's the whole *point* of it

[freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Marco A. Calamari
None follow Ian's call for opinion about the fproxy insertion capability removal. My opinion about it is that was a bad(TM) idea. I cannot imagine a good technical reason for that. From a normal user point of view, this fact transform a read/write media in a readonly media; something that

[freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-dev] Insert functionality returns to FProxy

2002-09-12 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
FCP FEC Proposal rev. 1.0 giannijohansson at attbi.com 20020912 I. INTRODUCTION: This proposal presents a set of new FCP commands that can be used to encode and decode files using forward error correction (FEC). FEC is a way of encoding packetized data files with extra error recovery

[freenet-dev] Cleaning up fproxy

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
I think we should break froxy up into separate servlets bound together on the same port with Tavin's MultipleHttpServletContainer. The hard cross port redirects are ugly. Once everything is running on the same port redirects are less ugly. / -- with no arguments would map to Ian's infolet

[freenet-dev] Adding FCP commands for FEC

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
ould just decompile. We have full human readable source to all the tricky stuff. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FCP-FEC.txt Type: text/english Size: 9272 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attach

[freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Marco A. Calamari
None follow Ian's call for opinion about the fproxy insertion capability removal. My opinion about it is that was a bad(TM) idea. I cannot imagine a good technical reason for that. From a normal user point of view, this fact transform a read/write media in a readonly media; something that

Re: [freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread fish
Most of this sounds pretty good. Firstly, a stupid question - is there any reason to seperate data blocks and check blocks? As far as the FEC encoder/decoder knows, they're just blocks, right? I mean, that's the whole *point* of it (you need any k blocks of n in order to decode a file).

Re: [freenet-dev] Cleaning up fproxy

2002-09-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 02:24:28AM -0400, Gianni Johansson wrote: I think we should break froxy up into separate servlets bound together on the same port with Tavin's MultipleHttpServletContainer. The hard cross port redirects are ugly. Once everything is running on the same port

Re: [freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 07:37:32PM +1000, fish wrote: Most of this sounds pretty good. Firstly, a stupid question - is there any reason to seperate data blocks and check blocks? As far as the FEC encoder/decoder knows, they're just blocks, right? I mean, that's the whole *point* of it

Re: [freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Marco A. Calamari wrote: None follow Ian's call for opinion about the fproxy insertion capability removal. My opinion about it is that was a bad(TM) idea. I cannot imagine a good technical reason for that. From a normal user point of view,

Re: [freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 12 September 2002 05:37, you wrote: Most of this sounds pretty good. Firstly, a stupid question - is there any reason to seperate data blocks and check blocks? As far as the FEC encoder/decoder knows, they're just blocks, right? I mean, that's the whole *point* of it (you need

Re: [freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 12 September 2002 08:40, you wrote: Anyhow, the other point I wished to make, is that from looking at your information, it seems like it would be far more convinent still to just call the onionnetworks library direclty - okay, yeah, I see the usefulness of this for providing

Re: [freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 12 September 2002 08:42, you wrote: However, you were never able to insert a *site* by fproxy. This would be a useful feature, no? :) This is exactly the kind of feature that doesn't belong in a bloated monolithic fproxy, but which could easily be implemented as a separate

[freenet-dev] Insert functionality returns to FProxy

2002-09-12 Thread Ian Clarke
As of this email, FProxy can insert again (I have updated the snapshot). Ian. -- Ian Clarke[EMAIL PROTECTED] Founder Coordinator, The Freenet Projecthttp://freenetproject.org/ Chief Technology Officer, Uprizer Inc. http://www.uprizer.com/

Re: [freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Marco A. Calamari wrote: I cannot imagine a good technical reason for that. It was a usability reason, FProxy should be a tool for retrieval of information from Freenet, there are much better tools for inserting information into Freenet. From a

Re: [freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Gianni Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's good to make the distinction because if you manage to get all the data blocks you don't need to decode at all. Prefering data blocks to check blocks will restrict the usefulness of FEC, as it will make the check blocks less popular, thus less

Re: [freenet-dev] Cleaning up fproxy

2002-09-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Gianni Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: / -- with no arguments would map to Ian's infolet main page -- with a valid URI, maps to a leaner and meaner fproxy-lite servlet that handles normal requests and inserts but redirects splitfile inserts /requests to he servlets

Re: [freenet-dev] Fproxy insert

2002-09-12 Thread fish
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Ian Clarke wrote: Not at all, it just means that they can't insert with FProxy, I honestly doubt many people were actually using FProxy for inserting stuff (more likely they will use fcptools, freeweb, or frost). You'd be surprised, actully, at how many people were

Re: [freenet-dev] FCP FEC Proposal -- in message body

2002-09-12 Thread fish
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Gianni Johansson wrote: It's good to make the distinction because if you manage to get all the data blocks you don't need to decode at all. bob the angry flower says wrong,m wrong, wrong ,wrong, where did you learn that??! wrong!!! :-p. Seriously, this is a very bad