[digitalradio] FCC: lost exclusivity of quite a bandwidth

2006-10-12 Thread Danny Douglas
Hmm tried to initiate a messge with my present email address, which I have used over a year this month, and suddenly Yahoo doesnt know me? I have rejoined. The following is of great interest in the US and affect hams world wide, in particular digital ops, who have lost exclusivity of quite a

Re: [digitalradio] FCC: lost exclusivity of quite a bandwidth

2006-10-12 Thread David Ackrill
Danny Douglas wrote: Hmm tried to initiate a messge with my present email address, which I have used over a year this month, and suddenly Yahoo doesnt know me? I have rejoined. The following is of great interest in the US and affect hams world wide, in particular digital ops, who have lost

[digitalradio] Re: [Q15X25] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread Jose A. Amador
Could I suggest that PAX/PAX2 be considered as candidate modems formats? Those are very robust modem formats, far better than the traditional Bell 103 modems for HF, and might prove to be better than Q15X25 in poor conditions, specially on the lower bands. Q15X25 is faster, but requires a

[digitalradio] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread kd4e
Jose A. Amador wrote: Could I suggest that PAX/PAX2 be considered as candidate modems formats? There is no point to either -- they are costly proprietary formats -- contrary to good sense and Ham tradition. Many manufacturers have tried the proprietary mode idea and all have failed.

Re: [digitalradio] FCC: lost exclusivity of quite a bandwidth

2006-10-12 Thread John Becker
Danny Your right. Same thing could be said for just about any mode on a contest. I hope you was using RTTY as a case in point and not picking on RTTY. At 08:10 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: Dave, as you see from the below calls, I have been there/done that, and know first hand that most people do

[digitalradio] HF signal propagation effects publications

2006-10-12 Thread ArthurLekstutis
Hi, Where can I find a good technical analysis of the real-world propagation effects on signals in the HF bands, especially on the digital modes? Preferably an online resource, but I wouldn't mind buying yet another good book for my library. I need to code a modulator for my voice codec, and

[digitalradio] Re: The Rules are a changing!!! FCC publishes it changes

2006-10-12 Thread Jerry W
Andy, First post was trashed by Yahoo?, so reposting. Oct 3, 2006 ARRL Presses FCC to Release Omnibus Amateur Radio Report and Order: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/10/03/102/?nc=1 At the bottom of the article: Morse Code Proceeding Also Still Pending Jerry - K0HZI --- In

Re: [digitalradio] Revised FCC rules for data/image communication

2006-10-12 Thread KV9U
I understand most of the new FCC rule changes that will go into effect on 11 Nov 06, but I am a bit confused when it comes to the digital changes. Under Item 15 below, they state: Nevertheless, our Part 97 rules do not now authorize amateur stations to transmit both image and data emission

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread KV9U
While I agree that we need to only allow non-proprietary modes on amateur radio, it appears that it is about a decade late to argue that point, as at least here in the U.S. it has been approved by the FCC even with very sketchy outlines of the descriptions of the modes and even with the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Jose, Rick and the group, About Pax/Pax2, some weeks ago a Ham told me about adding these modes in the Multipsk_Client program. Thisprogram (source and .EXE available from my site)permits to interface with Multipsk through a TCP/IP link in almost all modes, Multipsk becoming a sort

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
One bit of correction Doc...Icom's D-Start IS NOT a proprietary mode...it is 100% open source and created by the JARL. I agree NO proprietary modes wanted. I feel the same way about computer operating systems especially for amateur radio...NO proprietary operating systems wanted. I am in

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread kd4e
About Pax/Pax2, some weeks ago a Ham told me about adding these modes in the Multipsk_Client program. This program (source and .EXE available from my site) permits to interface with Multipsk through a TCP/IP link in almost all modes, Multipsk becoming a sort of TCP/IP modem. So I have

RE: [digitalradio] Re: [Q15X25] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
There needs to be some sort of trade off between through-put and robustness. In my dealings with individuals in disaster relief, they really need a bit faster throughput that what MT63-2K can provide as well as just a bit better robustness but if push came to shove, MT63-2K at a 0 or -5 dB SNR

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-12 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Hi Ed. I'm rarely on in the evenings and mainly on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and on holidays...and on rare occasions as K5STB/P on Saturdays. UR Questions... 1) Can you suggest a reference on HF propagation that may show distributions or histograms of fade depths, durations and

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-12 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Rick et. al., The commercial HF folks already have higher throughput data modes...close to 9600 bps user throughput (now RAW throughput) but the signal is 6-8 KHz wide and they give this throughput at 0 to -5 dB SNRs. Thus far DV hasn't made such progress but Thompson CSF and their New

Re: [digitalradio] Revised FCC rules for data/image communication

2006-10-12 Thread Joe Veldhuis
KV9U wrote: Nevertheless, our Part 97 rules do not now authorize amateur stations to transmit both image and data emission types on any HF frequency segments, I am probably misunderstanding something, but I had thought that we could transmit both image and data and voice throughout the

[digitalradio] Waterfall 2d

2006-10-12 Thread wa7nwp
I made my first Digipan/psk31 QSO last night in several years. It was the first one ever on 40 meters. It's good to be back. One feature request that seemed to jump out at me was the selection of historical info on the waterfall screen. Currently we can select where on the X axis to decode --

[digitalradio] Re: Waterfall 2d

2006-10-12 Thread Dave Bernstein
When operating in PSK mode, WinWarbler provides an Omega 25 button that replays the last 25 seconds of audio, allowing you to decode any signal in the waterfall during that interval. If you have WinWarbler's broadband decode function enabled, its Channel Monitor window decodes all QSOs

[digitalradio] Re: Waterfall 2d

2006-10-12 Thread Jerry W
Bill, MixW can open secondary or child windows by right click on the signal of interest. As long as you leave these open (even minimized) you can go back and read what was sent. I think you can open about a twelve secondary windows at once. Even a different mode by right clicking in the open

[digitalradio] digital / CW beacon on 14.001? NMO

2006-10-12 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
Is anybody else hearing a beacon sending three buzzes followed by NMO in CW on 14.001MHz? Leigh/WA5ZNU Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol:

RE: [digitalradio] digital / CW beacon on 14.001? NMO

2006-10-12 Thread Dave Corio
Title: Message S-9 in PA -Original Message-From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:50 PMTo: digitalradio@yahoogroups.comSubject: [digitalradio] digital / CW beacon on 14.001?

Re: [digitalradio] digital / CW beacon on 14.001? NMO

2006-10-12 Thread Tony
Leigh, Loud and clear beaming west (5el monoband). Station NMO should be the Coast Guard station in Hawaii. Not sure why it's on the bottom of 20M? Tony KT2Q - Original Message - From: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 12,

Re: [digitalradio] FCC: lost exclusivity of quite a bandwidth

2006-10-12 Thread Danny Douglas
Yes, its a case in point, for digital/RTTY. Hey Im not just pickin on RTTY ops - after all I are one. I have 220 countries on RTTY, 128 PSK, 323 CW and 304 phone so no one can say I have really favored one over the other for that, its just that I like CW a LOT more. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX

Re: [digitalradio] digital / CW beacon on 14.001? NMO

2006-10-12 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
It was a coast guard station in Honolulu. I got them to turn it off. Leigh/WA5ZNU Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: Is anybody else hearing a beacon sending three buzzes followed by NMO in CW on 14.001MHz? Leigh/WA5ZNU Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org

Re: [digitalradio] digital / CW beacon on 14.001? NMO

2006-10-12 Thread KV9U
S2 on a Butternut Vertical/ICOM 756 Pro 2 which is about a 6 uV signal here in SW Wisconsin. There is also a series of moderate digital bursts between each ID. 73, Rick, KV9U Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: Is anybody else hearing a beacon sending three buzzes followed by NMO in CW on

[digitalradio] Re: The Rules are a changing!!! FCC publishes it changes

2006-10-12 Thread Jerry W
From the ARRL site in the same post last week about lack of action by the FCC on the Omnibus Bill. Oct 3, 2006 ARRL Presses FCC to Release Omnibus Amateur Radio Report and Order: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/10/03/102/?nc=1 Morse Code Proceeding Also Still Pending Perhaps more eagerly

Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?

2006-10-12 Thread Mark Miller
I'm not so sure of that. As I understand it, D means telemetry or telecommand. D - Data transmission, telemetry, telecommand No I am not out to banish Pactor III, but I am wondering why the FCC included J2D in the list of 500Hz maximum occupied bandwidth modes. 73, Mark N5RFX Need a

Re: [digitalradio] WinDRM and new USA rules?

2006-10-12 Thread John Champa
They try to keep the new regs very general (vague) so they won't have to re-write them so often. Look how long it took for the FCC to out with this little bit of drivel! (HI) 73, John - K8OCL From: kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

[digitalradio] Re: Kantronics, Kam XL

2006-10-12 Thread Ken
Are these modes X25 compatable? As in can they be used within the packet radio network? This is something we are currently looking for to help increase and replace the 300 Baud HF standard that has been used for far too long now within the packet networks. At present we are looking at Q15X25,

[digitalradio] FCC error? Conflict sub-bands in new rules? 3620kHz to 3635kHz

2006-10-12 Thread expeditionradio
FCC error? 3620kHz to 3635kHz Automatic Band -vs- Extra Voice Is there a sub-band conflict in the new FCC rules? The FCC Report and Order says they will allow Extra Class Voice operation to expand down to 3600kHz. That is good. But, ooops... Did FCC forget about the fact that in 1995 they