Re: [digitalradio] Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread Rick
Depending upon your definition of robust, and, if you are using the modes on HF, with a wide bandwitch (voice width) ARQ mode, it would seem to be Pactor 3 which can adjust the speed to meet varying conditions. Raw speed up to SL6 at 3600 bps which can yield a net user data rate of 2722 bps.

Re: [digitalradio] Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Cesco, ARQ FAE is an ARQ mode for sound cards issued from ALE, which is capable of a maximum speed in bilateral of 130 bps (a bit less than 1000 characters/mn) at S/N min of -6.5 dB. It is able to send mails and in the next Multipsk version mails + files (I hope). 73 Patrick -

[digitalradio] Re: Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread cesco12342000
The 8FSK raw speed of ALE-mode provides 375baud, Try the 8PSK mode in PCALE, under the The increments are: 75, 150, 300, 600, 1200, 2400 baud. Thanks. ARQ makes no sense in DV, and FEC is easily adaptable to meet those 375 or 300 data rates of those 2 modes. Are any minimum SNR numbers of

[digitalradio] Re: Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread Jon Maguire
Documentation please... cesco12342000 wrote @rick: drm (ofdm) runs circles around scamp, and outperforms pactor3 in data rate at given snr as well besides that the robot-qrm mode is insanely expensive. 73... Jon W1MNK Brandon, FL USA

[digitalradio] Re: Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Cesco, In PCALE, you can choose ARQ or non-ARQ (FEC) for either 8FSK or 8PSK. The increments are: 75, 150, 300, 600, 1200, 2400 baud. Are any minimum SNR numbers of those 2 modes known (375/300 bps)? The SNR for 8FSK can be about -5dB. The SNR for 8PSK at 75baud is about -10dB. Sorry, I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread Rick
I agree that for DV you would not want ARQ as you just can not tolerate the latency and overhead. It is difficult enough with basic OFDM modulation and as you noted, needs a good signal to work well enough. When I responded to your question, I was looking at this as an accurate transfer of

[digitalradio] Re: Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-08 Thread cesco12342000
don't think you can do much better than WinDRM type OFDM modes since you need the bps throughput to make it work adequately. you can. windrm uses 2400 bps at 8db snr min. drmdv uses 1200 bps at 5 db snr min. the new codec would use around 250 bps, wich givs an improvement of 6db in minimum

[digitalradio] Re: HF channel models?

2007-06-08 Thread dtmos
Specifically, I'm looking for the values of the model parameters to put in a simulator. For example, the CCIR channel models (even the poor models) of which I am aware don't seem to contain delay spread values greater than 6 ms, or doppler spread values greater than a few Hz, yet the cases of

[digitalradio] SCAMP?

2007-06-08 Thread Andrew O'Brien
If Scamp was abandoned, is it publicly available for others to play with ? Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] SCAMP?

2007-06-08 Thread Rick
As far as I know the Winlink 2000 developer has not released it. He initially said he expected to do this, even if it was used for Winlink 2000, but that was over two years ago and he may still have long range plans for changing the protocols so that it can work with weak signals. It was

[digitalradio] Re: SCAMP?

2007-06-08 Thread Dave Bernstein
Since RDFT was released under the GPL license, failure to release the source code for SCAMP may be violation of the GPL license. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know the Winlink 2000 developer has not released it. He