Lauri,
Why is it, that only a handful of amateurs seem to be concerned about this?
If people said we do not use the program until this is fixed, I am sure
it would get fixed in an hurry.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Laurie, VK3AMA group...@vkdxer.com
Sent: Jul 24, 2010 6:44
I had new vers 4.7 running here overnight without stoppages.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
Sent: Jul 15, 2010 3:29 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !
Hello steinar
OK Sigi.
I am not going to repeat my suggestion how to get Jose Ros to fix it.
Was told I became globally hated for doing so.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
Sent: Jul 15, 2010 2:34 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Tnx Sigi,
Are those amateur transmissions?
Look to me as occupying quite a few channels and that is
done on 30m ?
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
Sent: Jul 14, 2010 12:26 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW:
Hello Steinar,
It is gaining in usage and popularity.
Even the spam messages do not seem to make a difference.
I for one, thought it would, wrong again!
Amateur Radio a la 2010
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no
Sent: Jul 14, 2010 10:58 AM
Hi Rein,
Thanks, much somebody mentioned that earlier I think
PE9PE Rob in Zoetermeer.
We did not discuss the actual signature.
No amateur transmission obviously!
tnx 73
Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com
Sent: Jul 14, 2010 9:24 AM
To:
Jeff, I am monitoring it Few amateurs are, I believe.
Few amateurs ever tried it. I used it before the illegal
ruling came.
( My opinion )
You have to listen abroad to hear/see the activity.
I would say in spite of the actions by rhe author.
Users seem to like it.
I like it.
Nobody else
Hello W2XJ.
YOU are a man to my heart, You got it right on.
I have tried to make that point from the day it
happened.
Commitment - consequences far beyond some silly ham radio stuff
Commitees, study groups, legal advisors etc etc
Poor Agent, what ever his or hers number was!
73 Rein W6SZ
Julian
If Jose does not fix the generation of these spam messages, the method will
disappear.
If he fixes it, seems unlikely, the people who are using it now, will keep on
using it and it will grow.
I just wonder how many here in this group actually have used ROS,
or, are able to receive with
Hi Alan,
Why did you wait so long with contributing here?
Please explain.
++ In Feb of this year I quoted from the ARRL's Spread Spectrum Source book
page 5-2 ++
Spread Spectrum Fundamentals
SS systems employ radio frequency bandwidths that greatly exceed the bandwidth
necessary
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/13/consumer-reports-iphone-4_n_644107.html
73 Rein W6SZ
16:52 UTC
http://hamspots.net/ros/
73 Rein W6SZ
So 10 times is not a property of SS. Yes
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: W2XJ w...@w2xj.net
Sent: Jul 13, 2010 8:46 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum
It is generally accepted that 10 times bandwidth is the minimum
OK does ROS encrypt or not?
I though if something was encrypted one would need some
means provided to a limited group, to allow and enable
them to decode the message. Do we have that in ROS?
We need the complete package receiving part included.
Does the transmitting station provide us with
Very well stated, separate questions.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com
Sent: Jul 13, 2010 6:37 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum
This question of bandwidth for various modes and where to
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital modes other than ROS
What about them? They all work.
Jeff -- KE7ACY
- Original Message - From: Rein A
What about all
ROS does not work?
Is that your point?
And they are legal, Ros is Not
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital modes other than ROS
What about them? They all
Hi Steinar,
Thanks. I get it.
Not all those US calls are fake though.
Some US users of ROS do not know about the situation.
Not all radio amateurs in US are ARRL member or read their
publications, etc.,even as ARRL member.
( I am a member and read most of what they publish )
Also, I used
Hi W2XJ,
Could you tell me please ( I am believe to be the only person in the group
of 4000 seriously interested in this subject as a potential user )
the exact definition of SS in this connection.
Open domain references available to me as a non menber of IEEE and
the rest.
frequency hopping
Hi Dave,
Why don't we try to meet this thing head on, instead of saying
too difficult, too boring, fed up and tired of talking, thinking
about it.
Please lets move on, there are other digital methods, why not just
use those?
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Dave Wright
Skip,
I have a lot of respect for you and appreciated every time you
emailed me. Honest.
Went yesterday through all messages on ROSMODEM and got the idea
of some anti biases built in here and there. Almost from day in.
You have numerous messages about US ROS use and I sense it. Sure
I have
Sigi
You in Germany and perhaps others in Spain, Italy, France, UK, Russia should
stop
using ROS until Jose fixes this problem .
I am sure he is sensitive to that and will respond to a temporary boycott.
One should be able to do this via the amateur radio organizations, DARC. RSGB
etc
They
Sigi,
Why not bring your self not using it for a few days? I know takes
courage and self dicipline. Hard to muster these days.
And Sigi, we should move this discussion away from here. It is
a non issue in the US. ROS is indeed dead here since the middle of
March.
Somebody said it is illegal
Hi Steve,
I was told this by a Section Manager. So what can I say. Have not been at HQ for
at least 10 yesrs.
The statement about ROS did not impress me as being pro radio amateur.
For me it was a passive transfer of information.
He was the spokesman for the ARRL.
There are very diverse
Hello James Hall,
Why not using your call here? But that's OK.
I was not attacking you nor anybody else. It is not
part of my amateur radio experience or fun.
You were attacking me or? Thick skin here.
I was with the xyl to a concert yesterday and not behind
this computer.
Over the last
Dear Steinar,
Thanks.
[ I noticed the message not to repeat things. }
I agree with all your research, observations, and largely your
conclusions.
Indeed the overall thread through all of this is Jose's character/behavior.
It creates a big problem for me to defend him, really.
Still want to
Hello Steinar,
Apart from you not knowing that this was going on in the background
AND you should have been told, I think
It might be part of modern amateur radio activity.
I think Jose should tell his users that this is happening and perhaps
allow for turning it off and on.
Steinar,
I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at 14.112
because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
and receiver or?
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
The basic question is, I believe:
Is is possible to insert activity reports that are fake
via telnet or other means.
If this is the case, it would allow to direct activity to certain
frequencies or away from frequencies. Enhancing working or preventing
rare DX stations etc etc.
An issue FAR
OK Dave, the frequency reporting part is not working, probably minor
computer problem or ?
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Dave Wright hfradio...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 10, 2010 10:46 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate
Steinar,
What you should do perhaps, insert your grid square in the call window
indicating a receiver in grid square abcdef is reporting hearing AZ5ZA
etc etc
That might work
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no
Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
To:
Marc,
Always like to learn more about think I do not understand.
Apart from causing QRM on a occupied frequency ( QRL? ),
you with your PD4 call are allowed to make a contact with SSB
or even AM at 14.003. are you not?
I am talking legally here. there might be new EU rules
gentleman's
Julian,
Very good suggestion IMHO
But, would he allow every user to report? ( just yoking )
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com
Sent: Jul 10, 2010 1:00 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Pirate f ROS to repoer
Not only that but
Dear Steinar,
Forgive my stupidity it seems in the cluster etc business.
Let me start with this
http://jt65.w6cqz.org/receptions.php
I loaded the software,
Configured the software with grid , call etc
Turned on the RB function ( internet reporting )
Report the calls from stations received
Hi Russell,
OK. I do not know whether you are active with WSPR,, but there I have
also seen at times multiple decodes.
One station call, same time ,different indicated frequencies and S/N's
I have not seen it recently and in those cases is was not due
to overloading on my side ( receiver ) but
extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous
band of thieves
I had to use Google to learn that expression. Not using it much in daily
conversations.
What are you trying to get to James?
Why is it that trying to figure out how systems work excites you?
Once I am
HI Russell,
There is gain and gain.
If you use gain in terms of obtaining a better noise figure on receiving,
I do not believe you have to worry about that kind of gain,
It might be that you have perhaps too much gain in your audio section
( going into sound card and via sound card into DSP
Hi Dave,
Thanks. From here you come over as a thoughtful person and you seem to be
following
where this is going.
I am not happy that I can not use ROS modem. This is a fact.
The way the ruling came over via the ARRL is mot correct ( IMHO )
I have been trying to discuss this here and at other
HI John
Let me make a few things clear.
First and foremost I was rejected as a subscriber of the official list!
At the time I was not aware of the some 150 messages on the QRZ.com about
ROS, its author and the rest. A big eyeopener!
If Jose has calls hardwired in a list prohibiting amateurs
OK Russell,tnx
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com
Sent: Jul 9, 2010 12:01 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
Rein, I'm using the SignaLink USB and the audio is showing to be only about
half
scale
OK John.
Understood.
Did it work on your computer?
Did it work on the xyl's computer?
( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.)
If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should
use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original
John,
Who is Andy, K3UK?
I was told a few days ago by a moderator ( I think ) that
we could discuss ROS on this board.
For those who don't like it, they can use the erase button.
I want to know about the list.
If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to
stop using ROS
John,
Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this
or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies?
You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof.
Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence.
There has to be many on this board that can
Hi Dave,
Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world
wide is increasing rapidly.
We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US
licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc.
If there is such a list, I plan to make a
Hi Mike,
No problem whatsoever and thank you for expressing your opinion.
In spite of not willing to post on ROS anymore, are you on the list?
Email me direct if you have concrete indications or proof.
Can not talk for other members here.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From:
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for your contribution, No problem and the truth.
Could you inform me about the hardcoding of the calling frequencies.
Does he eliminate the VFO setting of your transmitter?
Or perhaps CAT settings?
Please address this issue, again feel free to contact me off this board.
73
Hi John,
Are you addressing this to me?
How am I the spokesman of Jose? What more can I say about Jose to
please some of you. What answer do you expect from me John?
What I do say though is this:
His not being an amateur
A severe language problem.
Little or none social behavior
did
Dave,
I have no answer here for what you are saying. It is clear, I don't see it that
way
I tried to get info from the ARRL not directly related to the ROS matter. Do not
want to discuss that here further.
I am happy to address it off the reflector, you could well be able to help me
with
What about beating dead horses here??
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Alan ke4...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 9, 2010 5:29 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC
Lets beat the dead horse some more...Seriously though...Jose can
Hello Steinar,
Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and then
from there end up at the HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls in
transmissions?
Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on the
Twente WEBSDR!
73 Rein
Steinar,
Let me try that again.
People are banned ( they are not allowed to use ROS, an absurd idea to start
with. )
If I think of other authors wanting to add ROS to their package and then,
users or perhaps buyers of those packages, discovering they can not use the ROS
software because
Steinar,
Sorry, my answer messages are getting out with too much delay
So the logical sequence gets lost.
73 Rein W6SZ
Group Owner Note: Rein...your last two messages were idetified by Yahoo as
spam, not sure why.
Andy K3UK
-Original Message-
From: Steinar Aanesland
Here are some US calls appearing over the last couple of hours
on HAMSPOTS:
Injected via TELNET or other.
KN6V
KE5AKG
K3ML
W7YW
KR6E
KI6JL
for more or no info on these callsigns per official FCC records
see
http://www.qrz.com/db/?cmd=1
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From:
This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving
(too much audio drive into transmitter )
Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver.
I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot
.
In just straight WSJT65A I have often
Greetings All,
It still is a big question for me how an author of a, being it nice, program,
not licensed radio amateur, can assign frequencies.
I wished somebody could explain that to me and why it is that there is no
real reaction or questioning of this action by the amateur community as
Hi,
As far as I know, Joe is evaluating the results of the tests and feedback
he received.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: jon_g4fut jon_g4...@fastmail.co.uk
Sent: Jul 5, 2010 2:45 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] JT8
Has Joe dropped JT8?
Hello John,
At the risk of being banned for live from this list readers might and
I am interested in the details of this situation.
I got the impression from your message that you had some contacts with Mr ROS
on
facebook/twitter?
Now, I seems you are saying that you are banned/prevented
Dear Steinar,
Very true.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no
Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:15 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
Hi Rein
let's forget about this Mr. Ros without manners and his new a
Hello Dave, AF6AS,
IIRC what does it stand for?
There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the
FCC (and the NSA).
Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or
you.
What about something like: Those need to be able to
Hello Dave,
Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna?
OK and thanks.
I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me
that they had stopped the mode. as a result of this case and I believe
a ruling / statement by ARRL ( probably only , no official FCC
Hello John,
Please tell me what do you mean?
Yahoo list(s)? It is very easy to get of a Yahoo list.
( I think and hope. )
Have changed the some 25 lists I am on often, delivery format etc.
Also have never experienced this dictatorial action on a Yahoo List
so far.
As far as Mr. Ros is
Hello All,
Suppose I would build an transmitter with a x-tal oscillator, lets say
running at 7040.000 Hz
Part of the system was a balanced modulator and just to make sure a
a high quality crystal filter, with a 1:1.05 shape factor, was added
in the driver stages for the final amplifier.
With a
Jose,
Oversight, we are certainly not allowed to transmit Music!
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: José A. Amador ama...@electrica.cujae.edu.cu
Sent: Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Cc: rein...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts
Hello Jose,
Multiple Frequency Shift Keying, OK, but you really
did not answer my question, I think.
Suppose I replaced the modulation device with a filtered
piano ( no harmonics ) a microphone.
I am serious, trying to find out the question we can't address
here any longer.
I used a x-tal
David,
Agreed, the exception to the rule!
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: David Little dalit...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Mar 9, 2010 2:21 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts
One exception to that would be if it is part of a NASA
-Original Message-
From: Ralph Mowery ku...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mar 10, 2010 12:25 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts
- Original Message
From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sorry Ralph,
I did not read the header.
3 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Ralph Mowery ku...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mar 10, 2010 12:25 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts
- Original Message
From: rein...@ix.netcom.com
Hi Skip,
Thanks, we have arrived at the point I wanted to get to,
So lets go a little further on this path, suppose I changed the
tones in a not so random fashion. Like I had a way to generate
tones as I do when I speak or make music or like some of those synthesizers
or whatever they are, do
Hi Jose,
Thanks much for your time. I am trying to understand the difference between
a certain unnamed modulation mode and single sideband with high carrier
suppression.
Looked upon from the inside and the outside but still with stable x-tal carrier
as input
to a balance modulator or perhaps
Hi Ralph,
You got me again. Indeed the Commission requires that it has to be intelligent
information, and certainly any ID needs to be made in the English language or
in Morse code, not quite sure about Morse only, or other methods allowed.
One could speak as a member of an Indian tribe as was
Hi Dave, ( AA6YQ )
Thanks. I might just do that next Monday.
I understand it to be, some help/emergency phone line?
Lost the number, so if you have it, please send it to me.
I am also very much interested in your definition of ss.
I have not been able to find anything, Wikipedia really
does
Hello
All,
Research Mr.Bill Pasternak, WA6TIF's piece about agentNN
73 Rein W6SZ
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239326
73 Rein W6SZ
Hello Jose,
This was clearly a case of overloading, most likely on the transmitter
side, over driving perhaps the sound card or the transmitter being
over loaded by the sound card's signal.
The K3 is too good a receiver, but it is part of your receiving chain.
Properly running WSJT should not
Hello Jose,
Thank you for addressing my questions.
I am not going to order that book, even I could find
a copy. And I do not live close enough to libraries
carrying it.
We need a SS for Dummies. In any case, thank you
for addressing the question.
Kind Regards,
Rein W6SZ
-Original
Hello Dave, ( AA6YQ )
I see your point with the use on HF
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
73 Rein W6SZ
-Original Message-
From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com
Sent: Mar 6, 2010 7:03 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL/FCC Announcement about ROS
Hi Trevor.
In my opinion, your points are very well taken.
It appears to me strange, at best, that an US federal branch is
using an hobby club with a membership ratio of some 50 % of
the total US population to communicate via thatclub matters
of law.
Even with the 50 % membership, the
Hello All,
I have seen this text mentioned at several places:
---
Hmmm. So the FCC is saying
If it is spread spectrum then it is not legal below 222 Mhz.
But they also say they are not determining if it is SS or not.
And that it is up to the individual operator to determine
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