Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-30 Thread Robert Thompson
On 9/27/07, Jose A. Amador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my personal experience, JNOS first, and Linux in second place, have You probably mean Linux kernel-mode AX.25, since JNOS runs fine on Linux =) been a fairly good match to the radio channel characteristics for e-mail and web browsing over

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-30 Thread Jose A. Amador
Robert Thompson wrote: You probably mean Linux kernel-mode AX.25, since JNOS runs fine on Linux =) Yes, I meant EXACTLY that. Kernel AX.25 can be fooled to endless repeats by TFPCX and an inadequate computer (say, a 286 running some terminal ughh !!) That has been a factual case for

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-27 Thread Jose A. Amador
In my personal experience, JNOS first, and Linux in second place, have been a fairly good match to the radio channel characteristics for e-mail and web browsing over AX.25 packet radio. How is that? Well, JNOS has tweaked timers, or better stated, the ability of setting channel access

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-24 Thread Rick
It could be that either I am misreading the information, or the information is too old and was superseded by a change in the proposed 3G MIL-STD-188-141B Appendix C, messaging protocol. I am referring to one of E. Johnson's documents where he writes: The use of standard internet applications

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, That reference is to Government/Military HF e-mail topology which has evolved to the STANAG 5066 standard pretty much across the board, however not everyone is there yet due to costs and time to update their network infrastructures. STANAG 5066 can basically be thought of as what

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-24 Thread Rick
OK but how about the question I had? Are you saying that 3G will include the MIL-STD-188-141A 8FSK125 waveform as the method for linking? Or it won't? When you use the term ALE, do you mean the related MIL-STD/FED-STD/STANAG protocols, or do you mean the linking part only, particularly

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread John Bradley
Rick; please let me know where you and Sholto are using FAE ARQ, since I would like to come amd play,too. On the subject of ALE; in my humble opinion some operators have become too focused on ALE, forgeting that ALE is the means to establish which stations available, and the best frequency

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread Rick
John, As I was preparing an assessment of my experiences last night with Sholto (that I published on the HFDEC group), I needed to look up the URL for the 30 meter spotting website and noticed that Sholto was monitoring on FAE this late morning/early afternoon. So I tuned up on his QRQ of

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread Rick
I had very good luck testing FAE with Sholto, KE7HPV yesterday evening. The 8FSK125 waveform is a fairly old design. They would not be using FSK if they were developing a new mode. From what I have been reading, the government/commercial long term plan for the MIL-STD/FED-STD/STANAG's will

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, Patricks FAE ARQ is an excellent protocol, it is the best example to date in my opinion of a PCSMD based ARQ protocol developed for Amateur Radio. The ALE 8FSK is not being replace by serial tone modem use for its Sounding/LQA/Calling/Linking, believe me that is not going to happen.

[digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-22 Thread Rick
Like so many things in life, there are tradeoffs and ALE is not all that bad, but it is also not all that good either. Rud's comments are accurate, unless you ignore what the military/commercial/government actually writes about ALE. When I first read about ALE in QST many years ago, beginning

RE: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-22 Thread Rud Merriam
: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:35 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no? ... I have been spending a LOT of time researching the studies of ALE and the standards from the company claims. Many of these are computer simulations and not real world tests