[digitalradio] Re: Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level

2007-11-06 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Rud. I do not know any program, that introduces errors into bit stream for protocol tuning purposes. For tuning the decoders in PocketDigi, I used Moe's WSCGen, which generates test streams of various levels of AWGN. http://www.moetronix.com/ae4jy/projects.htm It is not valid to simulate

Re: [digitalradio] USB devices with Linux/FreeBSD

2007-11-06 Thread Shuler Burton
http://forums.ham-radio.ch/archive/index.php?t-3399.html here is a link to a discussion a year ago. 2006. seems like the command set is open but the interfacing code is alot of work for the RixExpert On 11/5/07, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone had any success using a USB

[digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread jgorman01
I believe that if you are licensed by the fcc, you must obey fcc rules and regulations when operating in international waters. Only when you reach national waters do foreign rules and regs come into play. Jim WA0LYK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Russell Hltn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

[digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread jgorman01
Looks to me like it should be operating on 28.20–28.30 MHz according to 97.203d. Also, if the balloons path goes over the National Radio Quiet Zone, 97.203(e)/97.3(a)(30) it looks like permission is supposed to be obtained. Lastly, does foreign operation come into play and the need for

[digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread cesco12342000
TNX for the info. I think you should post the message again when the baloon is on it's way. Or just a reminder so i wont forget to listen-in. I think it's a very intresting experiment lasting only a few days. So i personally dont understand the attitude of interpreting the national us band

Re: [digitalradio] Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level

2007-11-06 Thread John B. Stephensen
Hi Rud, I just sent you the Pascal source code for generating and receiving OFDM via wav files. There is also a simple program that will modify a file to simulate multipath by converting it into multiple rays. I agree with Vojtech that it's not very useful to flip bits for testing as any

RE: [digitalradio] Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level

2007-11-06 Thread Rud Merriam
I understand about the use of soft decoders. If the protocol uses a soft decoder and another hard decoder the latter works at the bit level. A standard example is using Reed-Solomon for the hard decoder. Would the bit flipping be representative of the atmospheric effects for the outer hard

Re: [digitalradio] Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level

2007-11-06 Thread John B. Stephensen
If you have an inner and outer code that would be the situation, but I'm not sure that flipping one bit would always be accurate. A Viterbi decoder might generate small bursts of errors. HDTV uses TCM with an outer Reed-Solomon code. Even though there are 12 interleaved convolutional encoders,

Re: [digitalradio] 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread Jose Amador
I believe it falls, jurisdictionwise, in the same case as a satellite. It must be licensed by some administration, and also, do not violate the spectrum boundaries of others under it. That is cleat on the satellite bands, but not so in HF, in a non satellite activity allocated band. Jose,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread Rick Karlquist
Russell Hltn wrote: I personally have nothing against them, but they do need to follow the law. One would think the space program would have settled all of these questions already. Legally, it is not a spacecraft because it is less than 50 km high. Rick N6RK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread Russell Hltn
On Nov 6, 2007 5:02 AM, cesco12342000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's a very intresting experiment lasting only a few days. So i personally dont understand the attitude of interpreting the national us band regulations against it... If it's not done right it sets a bad precedent. I

Re: [digitalradio] 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread Jose Amador
That's right. I was only referring to the radio aspects, and did not account for that thing classifying as an aircraft. It may easily become a navigation hazard. Complicated, and ugly indeed... Jose, CO2JA --- John B. Stephensen escribió: Anything less than 50 km in altitude is an

[digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread Seli Oskarsson
I have posted this on the mailing list of Icelandic Radio Amateur club. Hopefully someone there might have an interest. 73 de TF3AO Seli --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Forwarded Message From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

Re: [digitalradio] 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

2007-11-06 Thread Russell Hltn
On Nov 6, 2007 3:07 PM, Jose Amador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right. I was only referring to the radio aspects, and did not account for that thing classifying as an aircraft. It may easily become a navigation hazard. Complicated, and ugly indeed... There are standard protocols for

RE: [digitalradio] Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level

2007-11-06 Thread Rud Merriam
In addition, if you have a systematic code versus convolutional or trellis encoding is the bit flipping not applicable? One of my other research activities is on Low Density Parity Codes since they approach channel capacity better than other codes. Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County,

[digitalradio] 30m Digital QRP Weekend Nov 10th 11th

2007-11-06 Thread Don
Please join us November 10th utc to 11th 2400utc for 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend to promote 30m PSK 10.140 +/-1000 and other digital modes (MFSK,OLIVIA,HELL,RTTY,etc wider modes 10.135 to 10.142) This is NOT a contest but a group event to promote 30 meter digital activity and awareness:

Re: [digitalradio] Testing Digital Codes at Bit Level

2007-11-06 Thread John B. Stephensen
Convolutional or trellis codes work by forcing specific sequences of state transitions and detecting errors when those transitions don't happen. Once the decoder makes an error it could take several symbols get get back into synchronization with the transmitter. If you mean the systematic