[digitalradio] A closer look at ROS [2 Attachments]

2010-02-21 Thread Tony
All, It would appear that ROS-16 is not much different than say Olivia 128 / 2K. The number of tones may differ, but they both use MFSK modulation with sequential tones running at 16 baud. The question is how can ROS be considered a SS frequency hoping mode while Olivia and it's derivatives

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2010-02-21 Thread John B. Stephensen
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 08:20 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Tony included below]  All, It would appear that ROS-16 is not much different than say Olivia 128 / 2K. The number of tones

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2010-02-21 Thread w2xj
- From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 08:20 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Tony included below]  All, It would appear that ROS-16 is not much different than

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2010-02-21 Thread John B. Stephensen
regulations. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: w2xj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 19:17 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS] I have spent the last hour looking through part 97. I find nothing that would prohibit

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2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
shouldn't be calling one legal and the other illegal based on how they were generated. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 08:20 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] A closer

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2010-02-21 Thread w2xj
Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 08:20 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Tony included below]  All, It would appear that ROS

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2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
, February 21, 2010 08:20 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Tony included below]  All, It would appear that ROS-16 is not much different than say Olivia 128 / 2K. The number of tones may differ, but they both use MFSK

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2010-02-21 Thread Rik van Riel
On 02/21/2010 02:17 PM, w2xj wrote: Part 97 technical standards mostly harmonize US rules with ITU international treaties They are written to be quite broad in order to permit experimentation. So long as the coding technique is public and can be received by anyone, the real restriction is

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2010-02-21 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Ok so what if it is... This is not the first time (nor will it be the last time) that this has happen. My question is where do they all come from? Why would someone take the time to write the program if it can't be used?

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2010-02-21 Thread Dave Ackrill
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: Ok so what if it is... This is not the first time (nor will it be the last time) that this has happen. My question is where do they all come from? Why would someone take the time to write the program if it can't be used? Probably because, in other countries, it

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2010-02-21 Thread Rik van Riel
On 02/21/2010 02:17 PM, w2xj wrote: I have spent the last hour looking through part 97. I find nothing that would prohibit ROS in the HF bands subject to adhering to those segments where the bandwidth is allowed. In fact the rules would appear to support such operation: Lets look at it in

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2010-02-21 Thread w2xj
- Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 08:20 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s

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2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
Rik, Did you see the recent post by K3DCW? The closest you get to a true definition in Part 97 is in section 97.3 Definitions, Para C, line 8: /(8) SS/. Spread-spectrum emissions using bandwidth-expansion modulation emissions having designators with A, C, D, F, G, H, J or R as

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2010-02-21 Thread w2xj
There are two very common misconceptions in that theory. The first is that SS is unto itself not always a fully digital mode. and A, F, or J in that case indicates the nature of the narrow band signal being spread. So SS with a J designator would be an SSB signal digitally spread by the PN

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2010-02-21 Thread Rik van Riel
On 02/21/2010 04:16 PM, KH6TY wrote: Did you see the recent post by K3DCW? The closest you get to a true definition in Part 97 is in section 97.3 Definitions, Para C, line 8: /(8) SS/. Spread-spectrum emissions using bandwidth-expansion modulation emissions having designators

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2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
The FCC is only concerned with what happens to the resultant RF energy and what is done with it, not how that RF is generated. In the case of ROS, if the data is applied to an RF carrier and the frequency then hopped, that would classify it as spread spectrum. The rules are FCC rules and

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2010-02-21 Thread Dave AA6YQ
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John B. Stephensen Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]]  The current

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2010-02-21 Thread Jose A. Amador
ROS is one voice channel wide, it seems to have been conceived for a 3 kHz wide voice channel, as usual with SSB radios. Its width is comparable with accepted modes like MT63 or Olivia xx:2000. It is not an automated mode, it is meant for keyboarding. Its spectrum spreading is hardly the way

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2010-02-21 Thread John B. Stephensen
- Original Message - From: Dave AA6YQ To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 23:24 UTC Subject: RE: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]]  AA6YQ comments below  The current restrictions on automatic stations can stay in place with regulation

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2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, February 21, 2010 22:30 UTC *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]] There are those who think that regulation by bandwidth would solve everything, but there are also those who would love that chance to take over the HF bands

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2010-02-21 Thread W2XJ
-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:30:50 -0500 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]] The FCC is only concerned with what happens to the resultant RF energy and what is done with it, not how that RF is generated