Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-29 Thread Ivan M.
Hi Mirek, On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Here's my proposal on how to replace the splash screen: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/splash/. It's fantastic to see your creativity being unleashed here. I really hope we can see some of

[tdf-discuss] Steering Committe Meeting Minutes 2010-10-27

2010-10-29 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Minutes from our last Steering Commitee call are now online at the wiki. Topics of the call were: * Update on: discussion about community structure started (how to define members?) * Website: decision on CMS to use * Decision on where to have public SC discussions * Review and prioritize

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-29 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 29 October 2010 08:50, Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote: Hi Mirek, The *perceived* speed of startup is something that should really be considered by the designers here. The perception (rather than an objectively measured reality) is what counts. Totally agree with you. To make LibO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Steering Committe Meeting Minutes 2010-10-27

2010-10-29 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi, On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, Minutes from our last Steering Commitee call are now online at the wiki. Topics of the call were: * Update on: discussion about community structure started (how to define members?) * Website: decision

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation Hi all, BRM wrote (29-10-10 00:41) From: Thorsten

Re: [steering-discuss] LibO registration page gone?

2010-10-29 Thread Caolan McNamara
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 13:56 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi guys, On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 11:15 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: As not everyone might be on steering-discuss yet, forwarding it here We can discuss it on sc-discuss then So let me try to do that [ I believe I'm

[tdf-discuss] Compiling in Windows

2010-10-29 Thread plino
I'm not a programmer but something is puzzling me: why is LibreOffice compiled with MS VC++ compiler? This forces the installer to include the VC++ runtimes... Wouldn't it make more sense to use the FOSS compiler MinGW? -- View this message in context:

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread RGB ES
2010/10/29 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com: Le 2010-10-28 17:45, RGB ES a écrit : The only reason to see tab stops and other formatting codes is if you need to *interact* with them: if you have a good set of paragraph styles the ability to see tab stops and other formatting codes is useless. So,

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Johannes Bausch
I agree with you - I write my documents with LaTeX and there you really don't have direct formatting tools. The problem is, though, that tabs are a direct formatting tool by definition - you mark a passage and set your tab stop, just like the character a. It's not a property of your whole

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread RGB ES
Well, that's not the way I use tab stops on Writer ;) Suppose you want to have a description(1): a lone word to the left followed by a paragraph aligned as a block: Word: Definition .More definition .More definition Another: Definition .More definition

[tdf-discuss] About localization on Math

2010-10-29 Thread RGB ES
Math have localized names for Greek characters. I don't know which is the situation for other languages but the Spanish translations are simply horrible: for example, instead of épsilon (right spelling) you have epsilón (very wrong spelling: notice the different accent). There is a related issue

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-29 Thread Roman Gelbort
El 29/10/10 05:10, Ercole Carpanetto escribió: The *perceived* speed of startup is something that should really be considered by the designers here. The perception (rather than an objectively measured reality) is what counts. Totally agree with you. To make LibO faster it might be

Re: [tdf-discuss] About localization on Math

2010-10-29 Thread Carlos Martinez
I think that one (between many) errors when some translation is made, is the dubious use of the spoken language and the written form of the same, some many times seems to be more familiar but.. quite erroneous. You are entirely wright to point that the correct speling in Spanish is épsilon and

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-24 8:23 AM, RGB ES wrote: Another example: do you know anyone that use the send by email button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the people to whom they sent the file is not able

Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] I AM WITH OOo

2010-10-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-23 12:58 PM, M. Fioretti wrote: I'm very surprised you HAVE to use MS Office at University. Surely as long as your submissions are in the correct format, the University shouldn't give a damn what software you use Not true at all in the real world, due to not absolutely perfect

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Robert Derman
Jussi Silvonen wrote: 2010/10/29 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Writer have a good tradition of tools that helps the build of complex documents (styles, styles and more styles!). What I would like to see instead of more direct formatting tools, is a redesign of the way styles are defined to easy

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Carlos Martinez
Robert Derman skrev 2010-10-29 21:59: Jussi Silvonen wrote: 2010/10/29 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Writer have a good tradition of tools that helps the build of complex documents (styles, styles and more styles!). What I would like to see instead of more direct formatting tools, is a redesign

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-29 Thread Erich Christian
Am 28.10.2010 09:52, schrieb Sveinn í Felli: Þann fim 28.okt 2010 07:09, skrifaði Valter Mura: In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 21:41:20, Marc Paré ha scritto: Anyway, I think also that a request of registration during installation is acceptable. You can add, optionally, some check boxes to

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Oct 29 2010 12:59:05 GMT-0700 (PDT) Robert Derman wrote: Jussi Silvonen wrote: 2010/10/29 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Writer have a good tradition of tools that helps the build of complex documents (styles, styles and more styles!). What I would like to see instead of more direct

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Ivan M.
Hi all, The number of proposals has grown considerably enough to (IMO) justify their own page, so I have moved the proposals to the Branding section of the marketing wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Mimetype_Icons/Proposals There's a link to the new page on the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
El 29/10/10 05:10, Ercole Carpanetto escribió: The *perceived* speed of startup is something that should really be considered by the designers here. The perception (rather than an objectively measured reality) is what counts. A typeahead function would help improve the situation. On my slower

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Ivan, Mirek, all! I really would like to overcome my previous telegram style messages and to focus on topics like that I'm very much interested in. Sadly, time is still very limited, so (a bit late) a big thank you to all who invest a lot of time to shape these ideas (some of these are great,

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-28 17:45, RGB ES a écrit : ... While direct formatting *seems* to be good on two page school reports, it is a nightmare when you need to create complex and well structured documents. Writer have a good tradition of tools that helps the build of complex documents (styles, styles and

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Ivan, thanks for the cleanup! And ... Am Samstag, den 30.10.2010, 11:01 +1300 schrieb Ivan M.: Hi all, The number of proposals has grown considerably enough to (IMO) justify their own page, so I have moved the proposals to the Branding section of the marketing wiki:

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-29 19:17, Christoph Noack a écrit : * Colors: Blue, green are great. For the orange, yellow and purple color, the lightest shadings seem to be different from its base color (e.g. the lightest orange looks a green on my computer). I'm sure you

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-29 11:14, RGB ES a écrit : If you only teach your students to use direct formatting, they will only use direct formatting afterwards: If you want to teach them how to properly use Writer, you need to teach them the correct use of styles since the beginning. I know, it is not easy,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-29 15:45, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-24 8:23 AM, RGB ES wrote: Another example: do you know anyone that use the send by email button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread RGB ES
2010/10/30 Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net: I am puzzled as to why you want to avoid any direct formatting. I am a power user and a great fan of style sheets; yet, as far as I am concerned, the great strength of style sheets is when something needs to be repeatable. So I will define paragraph

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-29 20:12, RGB ES a écrit : 2010/10/30 Michel Gagnonmic...@mgagnon.net: I am puzzled as to why you want to avoid any direct formatting. I am a power user and a great fan of style sheets; yet, as far as I am concerned, the great strength of style sheets is when something needs to be

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Caio Tiago Oliveira
Christoph Noack, 29-10-2010 20:17: * Icons: Just a question - is the lighter region intended? Personally, it irritates me a bit (it is hard for my brain to come up with the 3D equivalent). To me, the first draft felt a bit better (except the slight gradient in

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Caio Tiago Oliveira
Christoph Noack, 29-10-2010 20:17: * Icons: Just a question - is the lighter region intended? Personally, it irritates me a bit (it is hard for my brain to come up with the 3D equivalent). To me, the first draft felt a bit better (except the slight gradient in