Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Sean White
@Larry Gusaas During the last 12 months alot of of big businesses have changed over to Windows 7 and MSO 2007/2010. As most people dont care about the format they will just save it as docx. Most will not even know the difference because they will buy the software that their business has.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF format for opening and saving documents now. On 12/31/10 1:12 AM, BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com snip We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is quickly

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Rob Unsworth
On 31/12/10 07:07, Larry Gusaas wrote: You have it backward. If LibO writes in OOXML they are doing Microsofts bidiing. The world is slowly demanding open document formats. By supporting MS proprietary formats LibO is helping to perpetuate their hegemony. If LibreOffice were to write in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Simon Brouwer
Sean White schreef: Oracle who are in a bigger campaign of open-source destruction than MS is at the moment, I know some anti-Oracle sentiment can be expected here, but seriously... -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer -*- nl.openoffice.org -*- http://www.opentaal.org -*- -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 30/12/10 20:23, RGB ES wrote: 2010/12/30 Gordon Burgess-Parkergbpli...@gmail.com: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid That means nothing. MSOffice will be able to read the previous formats for a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 30/12/10 21:07, Carl Symons wrote: Any file format would still be accessible to read. If someone sends you a docx file, you will be able to open it. You can send a .doc (no x; no OOXML) file back to to them; they will be able to read it with their MS application. Two comments on that. OOXML

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 30/12/10 20:41, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid Yes you can do something about it. Don't enable writing in that format.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann fös 31.des 2010 01:28, skrifaði Wolf Halton: I have to use office2007 at work and I watch hundreds of core users (college students) struggle with my formatting requirements for homework assignments. Most of these are using the company-supplied computers, with office 2007, most of the time.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Kevin André
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the same format in which the original message was received) I agree. And users

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 10:07:30 AM +, Gordon Burgess-Parker (gbpli...@gmail.com) wrote: None of you get the point, do you. 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. arrogant my foot. If somebody smokes in my face it is not arrogant to tell

Re: [tdf-discuss] Changing language interface

2010-12-31 Thread Guy Voets
2010/12/24 Avraham Hanadari avhanad...@gmail.com: Dear Friends, I have downloaded the latest LibreOffice international version, but I have been unable to discover how to change the English interface into French.Would someone be kind enough to explain how I might do this? Thanks in advance,

[tdf-discuss] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 140 (3843-3863)

2010-12-31 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Hello, I just want to inform you all that docx, pptx, xlsx, etc is not the same as the ISO OOXML which was saddly accepted as an ISO standard. The currently used OOXML format is a completely proprietary XML based format. And the specification of the OOXML ISO Standard is so complex and long that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you reply in HTML, because YOU want to, that is complete rudeness and intolerance.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Gallery -- toggle off/on

2010-12-31 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Marc, some additional remarks to those by Regina (Thanks!). The reason for not having a x-button to close some of the window is, that the source code and the interaction concepts are very old. Just look at the selection decoration - looks quite dated ... In comparison, the task panes in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 31/12/10 09:30, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF format for opening and saving documents now. So does 2007 SP2 as well. However in 2007 the opening of ods documents has deliberately broken formulaedon't know whether they've

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 31/12/2010 11:32, M. Fioretti ha scritto: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 10:07:30 AM +, Gordon Burgess-Parker (gbpli...@gmail.com) wrote: None of you get the point, do you. 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. arrogant my foot. If

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread RGB ES
2010/12/31 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com: And BTW, the latest Open Office ALSO supports writing to OOXML format... As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and 300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX formats. Maybe you are using some

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote: As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and 300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX formats. Maybe you are using some go-oo derivative, but oracle's OOo do not support writing to those formats, not even the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread RGB ES
Ubuntu's (and openSUSE's and sabayon's and...) OOo is go-oo, not oracle's OOo. 2010/12/31 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com: On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote: As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and 300m95 running here and none of them support writing to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 31/12/10 13:21, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote: As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and 300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX formats. Maybe you are using some go-oo derivative, but oracle's OOo do not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 December 2010 11:35, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 31/12/10 13:23, RGB ES wrote: Ubuntu's (and openSUSE's and sabayon's and...) OOo is go-oo, not oracle's OOo. So that's why it says ORACLE on the OO splash screen then -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 December 2010 10:37, Kevin André hyperquan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the

[tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread James Clemence
A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple machines. I have a laptop, desktop, and occasional use of other machines, and would really like to be able to take my dictionary with me. Whilst I can use my own git repository, or shared net

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 30 December 2010 20:19, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread RGB ES
It says oracle (based on oracle to be precise) because most of the code is copyrighted by oracle. Please, google a bit, it does not hurt... 2010/12/31 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com: On 31/12/10 13:23, RGB ES wrote: Ubuntu's (and openSUSE's and sabayon's and...) OOo is go-oo, not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread sophie
Hi, On 31/12/2010 16:27, RGB ES wrote: It says oracle (based on oracle to be precise) because most of the code is copyrighted by oracle. Please, google a bit, it does not hurt... Both of you are right. In fact, it's the official version plus some go-oo patches. So you get a mix of the two

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Italo Vignoli
Sorry for stepping in so late in the discussion. I have seen many messages, but they all miss the key issue: interoperability. TDF is FOR interoperability, which is a user (and a market) need. TDF is not AGAINST Microsoft, although many of its founding members - including myself - have been

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread pierre choffardet
Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple machines. I have a laptop, desktop, and occasional use of other machines, and would really like to be able to take my dictionary with me. Whilst I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi all, On 31/12/2010 16:56, pierre choffardet wrote: Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple machines. I have a laptop, desktop, and occasional use of other machines, and would really

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Kevin André
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:51, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 December 2010 10:37, Kevin André hyperquan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Gordon Em 31-12-2010 08:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker escreveu: On 30/12/10 20:41, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: (snip) None of you get the point, do you. 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread RGB ES
A possible compromise???: move all (I mean ALL) non native formats to the Export menu and let save/save as for the native formats only. Also, disable the possibility to change the default format for saving documents: in my experience on forums, many problems are fixed when you explain users that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM, pierre choffardet pierre.choffar...@free.fr wrote: Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple machines. I have a laptop, desktop, and occasional use of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 140 (3843-3863)

2010-12-31 Thread Mark Preston
I should have thought that, with the massive issues even Microsoft has of meeting the alleged standard they have set, it was fairly obvious why other software has not tried to meet it. ODF works, is well-supported and even works in Microsoft Office so with respect the answer is to use ODF and not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 140 (3843-3863)

2010-12-31 Thread Ledger Consulting
I need to be able to open Excel files in ODF. It would be a deal breaker for me.On 12/31/2010 8:42 AM, Mark Preston wrote:I should have thought that, with the massive issues even Microsoft has of meeting the alleged standard they have set, it was fairly obvious why other software has not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Kevin André
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 15:31, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: A possible compromise???: move all (I mean ALL) non native formats to the Export menu and let save/save as for the native formats only. Also, disable the possibility to change the default format for saving documents: in my

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Mark Preston
If I may inject what I hope is a little sense into this argument:- A major strength of Open Office is and always was that it could read and often write documents in many proprietary formats. That strength should remain solidly a feature of Libre Office and for exactly the same reasons. When it

[tdf-discuss] Re: Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-12-31 05:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple machines. I have a laptop, desktop, and occasional use of other machines, and would really like to be able to take my dictionary with me. Whilst I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Anton Meixome
2010/12/31 Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM, pierre choffardet pierre.choffar...@free.fr wrote: Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Is this only for the french dictionary or do they work on dictionaries for other languages? On 12/31/10 3:00 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi all, On 31/12/2010 16:56, pierre choffardet wrote: Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread sophie
On 31/12/2010 18:45, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-12-31 05:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack of dictionary syncing between multiple machines. I have a laptop, desktop, and occasional use of other machines, and would really like to be able

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread sophie
Hi, On 31/12/2010 18:59, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Is this only for the french dictionary or do they work on dictionaries for other languages? Everything can be ported to other languages, that was the initial aim. I do not have the time this evening, but there has been some presentation, and if

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/2010 10:03 AM, Kevin André wrote: I would suggest the following instead. Support OOXML completely, but when the user saves his/her document in a proprietary format display a confirmation message which says something like: You are saving

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Sophie try get him on the mailing list. I am sure he would wanna see and read all of this. On 12/31/10 5:03 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi, On 31/12/2010 18:59, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Is this only for the french dictionary or do they work on dictionaries for other languages? Everything can be ported

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread sophie
On 31/12/2010 18:56, Anton Meixome wrote: 2010/12/31 Michael Wheatlandmich...@wheatland.com.au: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM, pierre choffardet pierre.choffar...@free.fr wrote: Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature I find irritating in word processors is the lack

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 31/12/2010 15:31, RGB ES ha scritto: A possible compromise???: move all (I mean ALL) non native formats to the Export menu and let save/save as for the native formats only. Also, disable the possibility to change the default format for saving documents: in my experience on forums, many

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Kevin André
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 17:14, Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: On 12/31/2010 10:03 AM, Kevin André wrote: I would suggest the following instead. Support OOXML completely, but when the user saves his/her document in a proprietary format display a confirmation message which says

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread sophie
On 31/12/2010 19:24, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Question becomes Sophie is he willing to work on integration into LO, as well as to provide support for other teams to create dictionaries for other languages. I can't answer for him :-) I'm quite sure that he will provide support to other teams,

[tdf-discuss] Happy New Year 2011

2010-12-31 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Dear all, In a few hours the year 2010 will come to an end. While I don't think there's any reason to panic about that I would suggest to look a bit backwards and reflect on what we have accomplished altogether. 2010 was quite a year, and 2011 is going to be an exciting year as well. I would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I think that is going to be a problem getting this integrated into LO is finding the man power to code whats necessary into LO for this to work. On 12/31/10 5:38 PM, Sophie wrote: On 31/12/2010 19:24, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Question becomes Sophie is he willing to work on integration into

Re: [tdf-discuss] Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Anton Meixome
2010/12/31 sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com: On 31/12/2010 18:56, Anton Meixome wrote: 2010/12/31 Michael Wheatlandmich...@wheatland.com.au: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM, pierre choffardet pierre.choffar...@free.fr  wrote: Le 31/12/2010 11:51, James Clemence a écrit : A major feature

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Mark, all, Mark Preston wrote (31-12-10 16:11) If I may inject what I hope is a little sense into this argument:- A major strength of Open Office is and always was that it could read and often write documents in many proprietary formats. That strength should remain solidly a feature of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Gress
On 12/31/10 05:07 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 30/12/10 20:41, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid Yes you can do

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Cor Nouws
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (31-12-10 13:14) On 31/12/10 09:30, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF format for opening and saving documents now. So does 2007 SP2 as well. However in 2007 the opening of ods documents has deliberately

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dictionary Syncing

2010-12-31 Thread Lee Hyde
On 31/12/10 16:00, sophie wrote: You can reach them on the FR list, they are part of our community since a long time. But adding the code won't be enough, there is a lot of work behind that needs several hands. So my advice should be first to look for a community to handle the effort. Kind

Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy New Year 2011

2010-12-31 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 31/12/2010 17:40, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Dear all, In a few hours the year 2010 will come to an end. While I don't think there's any reason to panic about that I would suggest to look a bit backwards and reflect on what we have accomplished altogether. 2010 was quite a year, and

[tdf-discuss] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 142 (3894-3923)

2010-12-31 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Dear all, I agree with Mr. Schulz, let's reflect and think what is the best way to fulfill the business needs of all the Libre Office potential users in 2011. I would love to ban all MS Formats and establish ODF as standard for everyone in the world, but fact is that until ODF Office Suites

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Wolf Halton
@rgb.mldc- if your request for a document included a format type, you might even include a link to LO as well. My copy of OO.o opens docx, so I can't say docx is unreadable. Everything I run is tweaked a little, so I am not a standard use case. There was a long thread on one of the Linux lists

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: snip And if you are sent an OOXML document to edit and return then it's bad manners not to send it back in the format it was sent to you, just like it's bad manners to receive a plain text email and reply in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Gress
On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this. If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to the sender and request that they send it in another format, explaining why. And BTW, the latest Open Office ALSO supports writing to OOXML

[tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/12/31 12:15 PM Carl Symons wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Paul Gresspgr...@optonline.net wrote: I checked my OOo, dev m95 (3.4), it doesn't support save as docx and 3.3 rc8 (3.3 m18) also doesn't support docx in save as. What version are you using that supports docx?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk wrote: If I may inject what I hope is a little sense into this argument:- Thank you for injecting sense into what had become entirely emotional and irrational B^) A major strength of Open Office is and always was that it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Paul Gress wrote: On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this. If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to the sender and request that they send it in another format, explaining why. And

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/12/31 12:15 PM  Carl Symons wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Paul Gresspgr...@optonline.net  wrote: I checked my OOo, dev m95 (3.4), it doesn't support save as docx and 3.3 rc8 (3.3 m18) also

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST)  Paul Gress wrote: On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this. If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Craig A. Eddy
There are many times in which HTML doesn't translate correctly to a recipient. The lowest common denominator, then, is plain text. That being the case I habitually set my email reader to send in plain text. Also, for one who uses gpg (or it's equivalent), even occasionally, the encrypting

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:17:28 GMT-0800 (PST) Carl Symons wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Paul Gress wrote: On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The answer to ALL this nonsense is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Gress
On 12/31/10 08:23 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 13:21, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote: As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and 300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX formats. Maybe you are

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:17:28 GMT-0800 (PST)  Carl Symons wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST)  Paul Gress wrote: On 12/31/10

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:45:46 GMT-0800 (PST) Carl Symons wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Yep. Go back to the first message in this thread and follow the links. Very eye opening. Andy You're right, some interesting reading there and on

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Carl Symons
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:45:46 GMT-0800 (PST)  Carl Symons wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Yep.  Go back to the first message in this thread and follow the links.  

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann fös 31.des 2010 17:04, skrifaði Paul Gress: On 12/31/10 05:07 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 30/12/10 20:41, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can

[tdf-discuss] Happy new year 2011 from germany !

2010-12-31 Thread Chynte
Hi guys, happy new year 2011 !! Life your dream Chynte -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

[tdf-discuss] Happy New Year from Arizona

2010-12-31 Thread Craig A. Eddy
Happy New Year from The Valley of the Sun in Arizona. Although it tried to be The Valley of the Snow with this last storm. Despite strange weather patterns, here's wishing all of you a BETTER new year. Craig A. Eddy Tyche -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:35:24AM +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you reply in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:35:24AM +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you reply in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:35:24AM +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you reply in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy new year 2011 from germany !

2010-12-31 Thread Nikola Yanev
HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM BULGARIA! Hope the new 2011 will be even better for us and for YOU, of course! Have a great New Year evening tonight and celebrate with all the joy and love you have! -- http://www.ubuntu.com/ Nikola Yanev http://www.gericom.free.bg http://www.gericom.wordpress.com Linux,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Sorry to get into the discussion, but what are your goals, to be arrogant, or not? Or to make ODF the defacto standard which saddly is still NOT? The important thing is to fulfill the needs from potential users, specially in the enterprise. *e.g. *E-mail composers in the enterprise usually support

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:51:48AM +, Ian Lynch wrote: School systems don't teach word processing, they teach MS Word. It's why we need better education and a certification programme for users that covers stuff like file formats and the principles of WP not just one product. What's really

Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy New Year from Arizona

2010-12-31 Thread Prabath Galagamage
Happy New Year from Sri Lanka On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Craig A. Eddy ty...@cox.net wrote: Happy New Year from The Valley of the Sun in Arizona. Although it tried to be The Valley of the Snow with this last storm. Despite strange weather patterns, here's wishing all of you a BETTER

Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy New Year from Arizona

2010-12-31 Thread Timothy Mark Brennan, Jr.
Happy New Year from Brazil 2011/1/1 Prabath Galagamage gprab...@gmail.com: Happy New Year from Sri Lanka On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Craig A. Eddy ty...@cox.net wrote: Happy New Year from The Valley of the Sun in Arizona.  Although it tried to be The Valley of the Snow with this last

Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy New Year from Arizona

2010-12-31 Thread nitipemail
Happy new year from Indonesia Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Timothy Mark Brennan, Jr. timothe...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:38:42 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Reply-To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy New Year from Arizona

2010-12-31 Thread sophie
Happy new year from Madagascar. I wish you all the best for you, your family and your friends Kind regards Sophie On 01/01/2011 08:36, nitipem...@gmail.com wrote: Happy new year from Indonesia Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Timothy Mark

[tdf-discuss] Re: Happy New Year from Arizona

2010-12-31 Thread NoOp
On 12/31/2010 08:38 PM, Timothy Mark Brennan, Jr. wrote: Happy New Year from Brazil 2011/1/1 Prabath Galagamage gprab...@gmail.com: Happy New Year from Sri Lanka Happy New Year from San Jose/Milpitas, California -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org