Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-27 Thread Erik van de Wiel
Great point made by Lane Halley on http://www.cooper.com/journal/2008/10/joe_six_pack_is_not_a_persona.html Quote: When someone hears the name %u201CNora the newbie%u201D or %u201CJoe Helpdesk%u201D they draw on past experience to imagine someone they know, or project the context of other times

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-24 Thread Jordan, Courtney
ve_economic_stimulus_package/articleshow/3592920.cms Courtney Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Micheletti Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:37 AM To: IxDA list Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona In the US

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-24 Thread Steve Baty
Courtney, Australia's stimulus package will work if those low- and middle-income households don't do the exact same thing as the US and use it to pay down their credit card debt (which is high in Australia per capita) or save it instead. This is, as you say, the piece missing from the public

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-21 Thread Carol Smith
Here's another way voters are being categorized: The Christian Science Monitor identified 11 places across the US that represent distinct types of voter communities. http://www.csmonitor.com/patchworknation/ They are Monied 'Burbs, Minority Central, Evangelical Epicenters, Tractor Country,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-21 Thread Will Evans
That sounds eerily similar to the old marketing lifestyle/behavioral/psychographics that main stream marketers have been using Claritas for - http://www.claritas.com and as some smart person, think it might have been in the book Groundswell, mentioned - that's for folks that want to shout into the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-21 Thread Carol Smith
Exactly - I don't think any of us would be successful using a method like this. Luckily most products don't have an audience of 300 million, but this is interesting regardless. :) Carol On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, mark schraad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will is correct, these are

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-20 Thread Eva Kaniasty
I think that the Joe the Plumber incident nicely illustrated the danger of using a real person as a persona. Joe went from the little guy striving for the American dream to a guy who doesn't even have his plumbing license and owes back taxes. Eva Kaniasty http://www.linkedin.com/in/kaniasty On

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-20 Thread Will Evans
It is also clearly a cautionary tail in NOT using real user research before making a persona. If you are pulling persona's out of the air, not doing qualitative and quantitative research to derive your personas - you'll end up like the McCain camp - with a toxic persona that lacks credibility

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-20 Thread Will Evans
it might even be a cautionary tale. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It is also clearly a cautionary tail in NOT using real user research before making a persona. If you are pulling persona's out of the air, not doing qualitative and quantitative research

[IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-16 Thread Michael Micheletti
In the US Presidential debate last night, there was considerable discussion about Joe the Plumber. Turns out he's a real person, but nevertheless I heard him used as a sort of proxy or persona. Anybody else flash on this too? Is he the right persona to be designing an economic turnaround for?

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-16 Thread Catriona Lohan-conway
Yeah Joe Sixpack went from just being a worker bee with Palin to being the self employed Queen Bee with McCain. I think I'd like a job that promoted me that quickly - 2 weeks? ;-) On Thursday, October 16, 2008, at 08:37AM, Michael Micheletti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US Presidential

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-16 Thread Terry Fitzgerald
Joe the Plumber persona Looks like the McCain campaign wrote this. They should have spent a little more time on it. According to Joe who was interviewed by CNN he is not feeling quite so victimized by Obama's tax ideas as the Maverick would have us believe. Terry F

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-16 Thread Will Evans
Well: 1. I think it's better than using Joe-Six-Pack b/c it implies that working class men have drinking problems 2. The particular person they chose as an achetype was not your averaging working class guy - he would have been better suited as a representative persona for a small business owner 3.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Joe the Plumber as Persona

2008-10-16 Thread Steve Baty
This notion of voter archetypes is used a lot as a rhetorical device in politics. Even if politicians sometimes drill in a specific individual - like this case - and we see the same thing occurring frequently in Australian politics A pensioner living on $xx/wk and receiving healthcare etc etc will