Re: [IxDA Discuss] When/Where/How did you decide to be a designer?

2007-12-20 Thread Jens Meiert
HTML Programmer UI Designer (UI Engineer who did his own visuals; and badly) Producer Technologist Information Architect UI Designer (AGAIN) Interaction Designer The journey took about 9 years and it wasn't until I joined this community that I really understood what design even was.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The mighty UX guru has spoken - Discuss!!

2007-12-20 Thread Murli Nagasundaram
At least a few posts seem to suggest that design is more art than science. This is a serious -- and possibly widespread (in the community, may not be in this forum) -- misconception, and is founded on a misunderstanding of the term 'design' which deems the terms 'art' and 'design' to be near

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Lucy Buykx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: But when you look at DxF, you have to notice every single little detail about these three things because one little change rips the entire effect apart. Where I use all caps, where I don't. What the leading value

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Murli Nagasundaram
Rich, I would respectfully disagree. The foremost talent needed in being an INTERACTION designer is the ability to understand, codify, structure and support INTERACTIONS between humans and interactive artifacts (and between humans THROUGH interactive artifacts). Plus the talent to design things,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Lucy Buykx
Oh my, apologies for the dreadful spelling and grammar in the last post. The last para should read Since most of the participants *do not have psychology background,* I have to ask this question of the people you work with. How many of your colleagues have studied psychology? *Do you consider

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Murli Nagasundaram
Lucy, I'm glad you brought up the issue of psych. I actually arrived on Planet IxD via psych/computer science (after my basic training as a mechanical engineer). I have always thought of IxD as being driven first by psych/social psych/anthropology and only then by the visual arts. A year and a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Bryan Minihan
Not to be a stickler for semantics, but I don't think you can equate lack of psychology studies with inability to understand, empathize and study human behavior and motivations. I'm a cartoonist (my art background), but it wasn't my major, Computer Science was. Similarly, I have always had a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] When/Where/How did you decide to be a designer?

2007-12-20 Thread Stew Dean
On 18/12/2007, Fred Beecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/18/07, pauric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think many of us took the long winding path actually. I was wondering if we could hear some stories about those pivotal moments in our careers where we changed from being 'X' in to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Micheletti
I haven't run into many folks with psych backgrounds in the design or coding worlds. Many more artists, musicians, mathematicians, academics. I've heard of sociologists and anthropologists, but haven't worked with them personally. Where I worked with people with psych degrees years ago: bucking

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
I haven't run into many folks with psych backgrounds in the design or coding worlds. Many more artists, musicians, mathematicians, academics. I've seen a few designers with Psych degrees, but I've seen far more of them doing Usability work. -r-

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Eric Gauvin
As for the heart/head dichotomy, I'm ultimately guided by the heart. It's strange. There are mountains of logical decisions and reasons for doing the littlest things that all lead up to an infusion of life and emotional satisfaction. Come to think of it, users usually relate to a UI on a very

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Bryan Minihan
Yes, there is a big difference. I didn't say they were the same, but just as there are good graphic designers without design degrees, good developers without comp-sci degrees, and good neurosurgeons without...well erm...anyway, there are good interaction designers without psych degrees. I don't

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo da Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Nick Iozzo wrote: Andrei, you did not respond to the one of the key points I was making in the original post. That the innovation comes from the interplay of form and function, that interplay plays out best if you have strong designers representing each

Re: [IxDA Discuss] CMS, Search, Portal and Intranet platforms - UX evaluation criteria

2007-12-20 Thread Fred Beecher
On 12/20/07, Richard Collins-Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a list or criteria that would be useful to score the *potential* UX of various solutions Of course I understand that there's much work to be done between opening the box and launching the system - it's up to us to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo da Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread Katie Albers
At 10:03 AM -0800 12/20/07, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Nick Iozzo wrote: Andrei, you did not respond to the one of the key points I was making in the original post. That the innovation comes from the interplay of form and function, that interplay plays out best

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo de Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread David Malouf
That interplay and innovation comes out best when one person is able to work through it all. Not a team. Teams are needed due to project deadlines, scope, etc. Teams are the norm, true, but the ideal is still one person. I very rarely see teams innovate. I often see single designers innovate. --

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Jeff Seager
I don't think a Psych degree per se is essential, but a genuine interest in human psychology would be very useful. One of my longtime friends is a clinical psychologist, and I gain important insights from her occasionally about all sorts of things, including interaction design. I also was

[IxDA Discuss] Interesting tab navigation example

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Micheletti
Not sure I've seen navigation tabs with a scroll bar before. You'll want to narrow the width of your browser window to get the full effect. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2008/default.aspx Comments? Michael Micheletti *Come to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] When/Where/How did you decide to be a designer?

2007-12-20 Thread Lukeisha Carr
I have been looking into the IxD realm for about 3 years now. I chose to major in Psychology due to a natural curiosity of why people do what they do in general. And computers/technology has always kept my attention. One day I searched on the web to find out how I could apply my Psyc degree to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo da Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread Desiree McCrorey
Nick Iozzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in the midst of creating a new field. If we define this field as GraphicDesign + Computer Engineering + Usability Evaluations + UserResearch = Interaction Designer. Then no interaction designers would ever exist. No one can advanced in all of these

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interesting tab navigation example

2007-12-20 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
yeah.. doesn't work in firefox or camino... i'm not sure the scroll bar on the tabs is intentional, i think it's just a symptom of bad web development and design. On Dec 20, 2007 6:11 PM, Mike Scarpiello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I DO think it's hilarious that MS refuses to make their sites

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interesting tab navigation example

2007-12-20 Thread William Evans
Not surprising - look at the source (snark :-) will evans user experience architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617.281.1281 On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah.. doesn't work in firefox or camino... i'm not sure the scroll bar on the tabs is intentional,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The mighty UX guru has spoken - Discuss!!

2007-12-20 Thread Joseph Selbie
[I sent this earlier today and apparently left off the ixda list as a cc. Jared, perhaps you haven't seen it either.] Jared, Allow me to apologize. My tone has been confrontational rather than seeking to find common ground. But you got my hackles up when you, not once, but twice in the same

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo de Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Dec 20, 2007, at 11:24 AM, David Malouf wrote: I love ya man, but this point I REALLY have to disagree with. My experience here at Motorola Enterprise Mobility is that innovation is best done in groups. The cathartic energy of a design studio environment breeds innovation better than

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo da Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Dec 20, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Katie Albers wrote: This is a mistake, imho. I don't operate like that, and my design teams don't operate like that. The division of skills I use is where the designer has to code/build the prototype. So, you don't actually have a division of skills Not for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Dec 20, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Rich Rogan wrote: It seems in our discipline the ability to design is shockingly placed below other skills as necessary to do our jobs, and this is one of the main reasons we have Bad software and websites. Bingo. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Katie Albers
At 4:11 PM -0500 12/20/07, Rich Rogan wrote: Just curious on how many people don't think being good at Design, (given you're designing in an IxD space), isn't the single most important skill needed to be a successful Interaction Designer? Here's the Random House definition of design (courtesy

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo da Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread James
This is one of THE perennial arguments of this field, and it almost never fares well in text forums, due to the different experiences and frameworks the participants bring to it. They then commence beating each other over the heads with their word balloons (my favorite mental image of text forum

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design in Interaction Design?

2007-12-20 Thread Lukeisha Carr
Seeing Graphic Design or Art backgrounds was a surprise to me because as I do research on how to prepare to enter the ID/UX arena, there are quite a lot of references (mostly in job posts) to education in cognitive learning (Psyc), or HCI which has Psyc courses in it's curriculum. And some even

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Must we be Leonardo da Vinci?

2007-12-20 Thread Nick Iozzo
I agree this forum is not working for this discussion. Would anyone be interested in using a break during the conference to have a face-to-face on this topic? As a professional society, I think we to come to some sort of agreement. If we are having such a hard time defining the skills that we

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The mighty UX guru has spoken - Discuss!!

2007-12-20 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
I wasn't trying to say that being a usability professional is like being a movie critic in terms of **specific** methods. I was using the movie critic as one example of the age old debate as to whether being able to critique, evaluate, measure, analyze a domain, bestows on one the ability to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interesting tab navigation example

2007-12-20 Thread Jake Zukowski
I'm shooting from the hip here, but my guess is developers aren't going to have a screen resolution below 1024 x 768 if viewing the site on a CRT, flatscreen, or other monitor type. Why bother going through the effort of putting the overflow to auto? I would prefer them spend the time thinking

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interesting tab navigation example

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Micheletti
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:22:01, Jake Zukowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm shooting from the hip here, but my guess is developers aren't going to have a screen resolution below 1024 x 768 if viewing the site on a CRT, flatscreen, or other monitor type. Why bother going through the effort of

[IxDA Discuss] [ADMIN] Please remember to turn off your holiday auto-responders

2007-12-20 Thread Joshua Seiden
Folks, With so many of us about to leave for Christmas/New Year's holiday, this seems like a good time to remind you all: PLEASE set your auto-responders (out-of-office messages) so that they do not reply to messages from the list. This is a simple setting in your email program. Alternately,