Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-03-03 Thread Tom Dell'Aringa
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Jared Spool jsp...@uie.com wrote: Have you asked your colleague what he wants to use this persona for? Can he give examples on how this might change the design? [snip] Ok, sparing the mundane details of interoffice juggling, it turns out that the personas he is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-03-02 Thread Tom Dell'Aringa
Thanks everyone for the great answers. I have a follow up question. The colleague that has put together the initial persona sketches has included a couple of attributes that are specifically geared toward selling the end product. Specifically, for example, he created one called Decision Maker

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-03-02 Thread Olivia C. Williamson
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Tom Dell'Aringa pixelm...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me a persona is not about selling, it's about designing properly. And if we design properly, we won't have to concern ourselves with how the sales force is going to sell it, because it will satisfy our

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-02-28 Thread Jeremy Kriegel
A successful project has to balance user goals and business goals. I agree with Jared that it is important to be able to draw clear connections between the two. Seeing where the goals align will point to your easiest wins. When they are in conflict or merely skewed from one another, there will

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Dell'Aringa
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Jared Spool jsp...@uie.com wrote: Hi Tom, Excellent question. Here's my take: First, I want to ask: are we talking about whether the business objectives are in the persona or with the persona description document? [snip] I was mainly speaking to the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-02-27 Thread mark schraad
I usually work with specifically grouped information in separate docs. Market research (competitive analysis etc), User needs and behaviors (including personas), and Biz requirements (sometimes including technical constraints, but sometimes its better as a fourth bucket). The reason I keep these

[IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-02-26 Thread Tom
We're working on building some personas for some desktop software. I've been going over Todd Warfel's template and Steve Mulder's (The User is Always Right). Steve includes Business Objectives, Todd does not. The argument is that you want to include what you as an organization want to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-02-26 Thread Katie Albers
This is something that I've run into before, and here are my thoughts on it. 1) to include business objectives in a persona is to build in the assumption that your customers care about your business. They do not. 2) The underlying reasoning -- to my mind -- to build a persona is to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do business objectives belong in personas?

2009-02-26 Thread Jared Spool
On Feb 26, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Tom wrote: Steve includes Business Objectives, Todd does not. The argument is that you want to include what you as an organization want to accomplish. I guess I would argue that a persona is not about my organization and it's goals, it's about the person and their