Re: Keyboard mapping of Option and Command

should as well. > It's just one of the many, many little things that hamper wide(r)-spread > adoption. *Standing ovation* Well said! -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype:

Re: Reminder!!! GNUstep meeting 12:30-1:30est

et multinationals use these as if they were universal. e.g. Nickelodeon. They aren't. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ Wha

Re: Reminder!!! GNUstep meeting 12:30-1:30est

except you guys. Not even Canadians, AFAIK. _Please_ I implore you try to always remember that. It matters. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (

Worrying news? "Apple’s Objective-C ‘appears to be reaching its end of life’ – or so says JetBrains survey "

https://devclass.com/2023/11/21/apples-objective-c-appears-to-be-reaching-its-end-of-life-or-so-says-jetbrains-survey/ Disclaimer: this is by a colleague of mine but I have seen other such stories from the same survey. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro

I've not seen this here before...

... -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

A recent article of mine mentioned GNUstep

I hope I am now closer to preferred terminology. ;-) Window Maker Live: When less is more, but more is also ... more? https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/25/window_maker_096_live/ New version of Debian-based live distro boasts added GNUstep, too -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

you are not compatible with Apple software development. [Reply sent to wrong list in error; apologies!] _In re_ the later comments about NeXTstep vs. OPENstep... I am happy to agree to that point, but I think that even now, over 20Y later, NeXTstep has more mindshare and more "brand awareness"...

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

ry so far. Forget anything to do with developers. Talking about the name of a set of APIs that _the company which created those APIs_ stopped using over a decade ago is the definition of futility. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

Links to downloads and other resources may no longer be valid. » I do not have a proposal but I think the name Coca went away a full decade ago and you need something more useful to replace it. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

ly well for a v1.0 product. > how did > you feel with the scrollbars on the right and the menu on the left It works fairly well, for me. > (Steve Jobs thought that scrollbars on the left were more consistent) ? There is a good argument for that, but we're all used to something different now.

I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

That is OnFlapp's GNUstep Desktop Environment... https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/06/two_new_debian_desktops/ -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624

Re: GNUstep Desktop

On Mon, 22 May 2023 at 14:22, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > Oh. Wow. Yes you’re right. Your reply has different unwanted text in it! > Thank you for taking the time to interview me for this position. It is much > appreciated and it was a pleasure speaking with you. -- Liam Prov

Re: GNUstep Desktop

oper / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron > https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c - OpenHub standings -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro

Re: FOSDEM!

you. BTW, the convention is to bottom-post on the list. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

Re: FOSDEM!

org. The 2nd email address here bounced back undeliverable. Anyway, yes, I plan to be there. Contact details in my sig. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939

Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 17:50, Marco Cawthorne wrote: > > On 2022-08-30 03:54:04 -0700 Liam Proven wrote: > > > I can't see that myself, so I am not sure which. > > It's the first image on the screenshots page: > https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3_installer_confirm.png

Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS

your email impenetrable I'm afraid. Sorry. My failing but I don't follow at all. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS

I'm not sure it's an improvement. https://ravynos.com/ It seems to at least mention Cocoa APIs... I don't know if that means GNUstep. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype

Fascinating blog post on software design

I especially recommend section 6 (which is short) as relevant to GNUstep. https://chachatelier.fr/chalk/article/chalk.html But I very much like and admire the analysis in §1-3 myself. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

fore, using the word Cocoa at this point and in that context would have in fact been unhelpful and misleading. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

t was fair to continue that line by saying that there's a FOSS re-implementation of that stuff. Is the .app folder bundle format part of Cocoa, the API, anyway? -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Lin

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

ire (excessively long) thread. Could you kindly share > the link again? To my piece? Sure. https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/26/linux_software_installation/ It is not about GNUstep; it merely mentions it. Re your other points, all very well-argued, I think, and thanks for the info. -

Re: People think we are for nostalgics or dead.

lf. You can put a load of stuff in, every day, and schedule when it gets posted. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

on... • Kotlin perhaps? • Python, obviously • Rust and Go up to a point -- trendy but maybe not so much for GUI apps? -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-0878

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

ambitious, take the Javascript plugin that Ubuntu used to integrate Firefox into Unity and make it display GNUstep style menus instead. The Waterfox web browser still integrates with Unity just fine. https://www.waterfox.net/ https://ubuntuunity.org/ -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liam

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

g. xfce4 or lxde on some minimal > Debian with initially no gui user-interface. Interesting -- I had not heard of this before. I will take a look. Thank you for the link! -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

empts have proven that! I am not doubting it. > A bad evaluation of GNUstep was done years ago.. then GNOME was created > and now we know the monstrum that came out which reinvented fromt eh > toolkit to distributed objects and now has a lot of disgruntled users. Agreed. -- Liam Proven ~

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

. Do you think it would be easy, or hard, or near-impossible to get the NEXTSPACE desktop running on Ubuntu or on Debian? -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-

Re: GNUstep on Hackernews

skills, and I don't use (or particularly like) CentOS. I'm a technical writer and journalist, not a programmer or distro-builder. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-08

GNUstep on Hackernews

time (I tried 0.5 & 0.6 with no success except in a VM) and while it's still very basic, it is there, it works, you can use it, and people are trying it. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lpr

I wrote about GNUstep on the Register recently

I hope you'll forgive the blatant self-plug -- I just thought it might be of interest. It is not a long mention but it's a thoroughly approving one. https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/26/linux_software_installation/ -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk

Re: LIVEstep - FreeBSD based live CD

rowser) filled with other FOSS components. It is a little incomplete, as it is an early work-in-progress, but what is there so far is very impressive indeed. I will try to put it on actual hardware next and see how it fares. -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk

Re: Debian Package Repository...

project. Oh really? I did not know of this. May I ask where? -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signa

Re: GNUstep app fails on Ubuntu 16

o install an X server. X.11 is the program that draws the graphical desktop on Linux. https://howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/xenial/xorg -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Sky

Re: GNUstep app fails on Ubuntu 16

I could remove ubuntu-desktop from > the system but I guess this gets me back to a text login!? No. -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939

Re: GNUstep app fails on Ubuntu 16

an old version of Ubuntu, which is 2 long-term support versions out of date? I suggest starting with 20.04 [2] Why all the ``--force'' stuff? That looks like a bad plan. [3] For a start, to get used to it, just install it from the repositories. Most of GNUstep is there already. -- Liam Proven –

A new GNUstep app in the wild?

http://twilightedge.com/mac/redoomed/ -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

DE/GNOME/XFCE etc. do -- or the Mac way: Super-C. But GNUstep *must* conform to the existing norms, and it must exist as an easy-to-install binary metapackage. Ideally, IMHO, 2 metapackages: 1 for the desktop environment, 1 for the dev tools. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/lia

Re: GNUstep Discord Server

and so on, but rich-text, images, quoting, threading, ad-hoc groups, etc. FOSS server, FOSS clients for most OSes including mobile, and accessible via a browser. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com T

Re: GNUstep Discord Server

eir T carefully before deciding to accept them. Interesting. Just gave them a quick look. Bearing in mind that it's a gaming service, they looked fair enough. What were your objections? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lp

Re: Package building

probably never going to bother. That's too much work for me, and I suspect this is true for 90% or more of Linux users. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053

Re: Package building

se a GNUstep-based distro, ideally, it would be based on Ubuntu, or failing that, Debian/Devuan, and failing that, openSUSE, as those are the distros with the packaging tools, driver/codec/etc support and so on that I find the best. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven

Re: Package building

o look at it yet. I welcome pointers or hints! -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053

Most famous ever NeXTstep app resurrected in emulation

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/19/cern_browser_reawakened/ -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp

Fwd: FOSDEM 2019 - Distributions Devroom Call for Participation

, if a few people would like to assist me in scripting it... -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram

Re: Cacao Linux - GNUstep based Linux distribution

orking desktop. It may be. They never released a working ISO, as far as I know, and for a lot of people, myself included, if the instructions start with "get the source here" then we just stop. > My intention more pragmatic: make comfort, fast and useful desktop > environment even in

Re: Cacao Linux - GNUstep based Linux distribution

g I can do to help in terms of writing words (not code)? I would be delighted to assist with text for the web. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +4

Re: Cacao Linux - GNUstep based Linux distribution

n? Why a slow-moving server distro without a fixed clear update cycle? > I hope so. And Gregory's kickstarter page quite confusing for that matter. It is, yes, I agree. But remember the FOSS mantra: "release early, release often". Better to get it out there than spend ages polishing it. Fa

Re: Cacao Linux - GNUstep based Linux distribution

d changing it * it's fairly closely tied to CentOS and not intended to be distro-portable? Saying that, I think you have done a much better job of explaining on your Github page what you're working on and why. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mai

Re: Cacao Linux - GNUstep based Linux distribution

reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9p9g0l/interesting_in_a_different_desktop/e838pxk/ -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsA

Re: Cacao Linux - GNUstep based Linux distribution

kickstarter.com/projects/203272607/the-cacoa-linux-project-a-gnustep-based-distro Oh cool! I have plugged this on Twitter, FB, G+, Reddit and a few other places. Good luck with it. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gm

Re: SimpleAgenda on FreeBSD

: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamp

Re: SimpleAgenda on FreeBSD

On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 10:23, wrote: > > i want to be removed from this mailig list with all adresses of the domain > txt.de. Can you help, please? [1] Don't hijack someone else's thread. That is bad manners. [2] Read the signature of any email you get from the list. -- Liam Proven

Re: Bugs in gui/back

oad 16.04-04 from here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop You can make a bootable USB key on Windows, Mac or another Linux box. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/Lin

Re: Bugs in gui/back

-- there are some skilled folk there. Then follow the GNUstep build instructions. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR (+ W

Re: Bugs in gui/back

Mac OS X and Android). These changes will also distance it considerably from more traditional FOSS Unix OSes such as the BSDs (e.g. FreeBSD). However many of them are controversial and widely disliked. It does mean stuff is changing quite fast at present. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.m

Re: Bugs in gui/back

window manager is Clutter, but this is inexact as it is not running X.11 but Wayland and there is no traditional WM. If you are running a beta of 18.04, the forthcoming LTS version, then again, it's GNOME 3 and Clutter under Wayland. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lp

Re: Installing gnustep from version control sources

On 13 April 2018 at 15:19, Mick Bert <micber...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > I would like to install gnustep on an old Apple iBook with Lubuntu > 14.04 PowerPC 16.04 also exists for PowerPC. I think you will have more luck with the newer release. -- Liam Proven • Profile: h

Re: FOSDEM

ge to meet Ivan very briefly. I headed to the café but I couldn't find any recognisable group. But a face to a name is still a good thing. Thanks for saying hello! -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/

Re: GNUMail app and gmail

you may need to tick the box that allows "less secure clients". (Amusingly, this includes collection from a different Gmail account over POP3!) Check with a different client to ensure it's not a server-side problem. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@c

Re: [INFO] NEXTSPACE

itely understand the problem. I'll do all my best to find a > solution. Well, good. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44

Re: [INFO] NEXTSPACE

indow and getting the menu of a /different app/ would be wildly confusing, IMHO. It seems like a disastrous idea to me. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AI

Re: [INFO] NEXTSPACE

w. It is part of what makes it distinctive. However, a more conventional & widely-available menu-accelerator key would be a good thing. Either the PC-style Alt for menus, Ctrl for actions (e.g. Alt-F for File, Ctrl-O for open) or a Mac-style Super key (Super-O = open, Super-X = cut, etc.) -

Re: [INFO] NEXTSPACE

tro, such as OpenSUSE? -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Sig

Fwd: FOSDEM 2018 - Distributions Devroom Call for Participation

Will any GNUstep people be at FOSdem? Prime material for a presentation, I think... -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939

Re: Boiling the Oceans [was Re: GNUstep Live on OSnews]

ed and disregarded for good reasons. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal

Re: Boiling the Oceans [was Re: GNUstep Live on OSnews]

vascript, so it's very limited on the modern web. However isn't WebKit FOSS and specifically designed for macOS? https://webkit.org/ -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn

Re: Boiling the Oceans [was Re: GNUstep Live on OSnews]

Ustep style menus & icon and so on instead. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsAp

Re: GNUstep Live on OSnews

On 31 July 2017 at 21:20, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote: > Hi Liam, > > > you actually sum up several of GNUstep's goal, but at the same time, the > issues to show it of.. Er, good? :-) > On 31/07/2017 15:56, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> The

Re: GNUstep Live on OSnews

hing to show people, and the obvious candidate, ISTM, is to show working code. And the way to show working code is to show an installable distro that you can use for your whole computing life, with a whole set of apps. And, just like macOS, as an _optional install_ for the 1% of users who also

Re: GNUstep Live on OSnews

s using GNUstep, or cross-platform apps. As it is, the project is very obscure and most people I talk to in the FOSS community have never heard of it. Those who have think it is long dead. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmai

GNUstep Live on OSnews

http://www.osnews.com/story/29939/GNUSTEP_live_CD_2_5_released Also, there's a new release of GNUstep Live! :-) -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo

Debian

I have never previously noticed this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGNUstep I just tried it. It worked. But it's GWorkspace 0.8.8 from 06/2010. IOW Debian is still including an ancient version of GNUstep. Are there newer Debian packages anywhere? -- Liam Proven • Profile: https

Re: FOSDEM

eers! > > -Steven I might be and would be delighted to meet any listmembers. :-) -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 •

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

install GNUstep and my application, > would this be guaranteed to be working? You really should not hijack someone else's thread. Start a new one with its own subject line. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmai

Re: piStep Development Project

u don't seem to really grasp how open-source development works. You need to learn to fit in with how things are done or all your publicity and energy will be futile and a waste of effort. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Fli

Re: Questions

to be trying to upset me with personal vitriolic attacks. He is failing, but list members of a more sensitive disposition should be warned, and I felt that the list moderators should know about this. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Tw

Re: Questions

is > *very* poor. Interesting. I had read this, but tried both ordinary and Hackintosh editions and could not get it to install. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Sky

Re: Questions

don't use VMware, though -- only VirtualBox. So, sadly, useless to me and anyone who strongly prefers FOSS tools. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo

Re: Questions

at I was unable to remember the name, and thanks for supplying it. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +

Re: Questions (was: Re: A Critique: Getting Started with GNUstep on Windows)

On 28 February 2016 at 19:42, Doc O'Leary <drole...@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > Liam Proven <lpro...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 26 February 2016 at 01:02, Svetlana A. Tkachenko >> <svetl...@members.fsf.org&g

Re: Questions (was: Re: A Critique: Getting Started with GNUstep on Windows)

y OS. That -- that's /insane/. I mean, who would ever do that? Notepad++ is a decent editor but nothing special. If you really wanted and you are deeply opposed to proprietary OSes, you could run it under WINE, I guess. But installing and trying to use an unfinished research OS for one Windows ap

Re: Plans for ahead

Debian/Ubuntu or even Linux at all, more users and more developers would be good for the project. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven C

Re: Plans for ahead

* (On classic hardware) Full-screen windows can be in different graphics modes to one another; dragging a window down reveals a different-resolution display. * (In modern versions) A dock-like app launcher, typically along the screen bottom. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.co

Re: NeXT GNU Homage Project Work

n you may have learned enough to offer useful insight. Not before. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (U

Re: NeXT GNU Homage Project Work

y never seen anything but Windows before, it is not a viable option. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) •

Re: NeXT GNU Homage Project Work

Linux versus any BSD. All the BSDs together have orders of magnitude fewer users than Linux, and most of those on servers. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yah

Re: NeXT GNU Homage Project Work

. That's all. I strongly dispute the "easy or easier to maintain" part, but otherwise, sure, yes, that is great stuff and a good thing. But GNUstep needs to provide binaries for the industry-leading distro(s). Actually, it needed them a decade ago, but better late than never. -- Liam Pr

Re: NeXT GNU Homage Project Work

Ubuntu remix if we're going to attract any serious interest to the product, but it seems to me that the community don't really use it as a desktop and aren't interested in that role for it. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Tw

Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

and I will be using them! -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR

Re: Ubuntu packages

. I am sorry to hear that, and I for one am definitely interested! I would suggest that you only support the latest LTS release, though, to cut the workload a little. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook

Ubuntu packages

I see that Ivan Vučica has made some Ubuntu packages of the core system, but Philippe, are you still building your Ubuntu/Debian GNUstep packages as well? I see no updates for a long time -- about a year ago. :¬( -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro

Re: What would be the most complete GNUStep system?

to get it to ready-for-prime-time. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR

Re: What would be the most complete GNUStep system?

a GNUstep-branded Google Search page as the homepage, it would bring in a little revenue for the GNUstep project, as well. :¬) -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM

Re: What would be the most complete GNUStep system?

more attention. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR

Re: Emacs and GNUstep

by the excellent ErgoEmacs, but I find Aquamacs to be by far the most usable Emacs that exists. http://aquamacs.org/about.shtml http://ergoemacs.org/ -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com

Re: elementary OS

. That is what a Linux desktop *is*! And if you want users and developers, you have to get out there and play with the others, or you will die. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro

Re: elementary OS

exist. Nobody will code for a platform which cannot be tried or even seen, and GS is completely below the radar, and nobody involved even seems to notice that this is a problem. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook

Re: elementary OS

evaluates and judges and compares OSes, desktops and Linux packages for a living. When I say GNUstep is badly lacking, a useful response is not well go fix it then, it is, oh dear, tell us more, what needs fixing? -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk

Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

and $LATEST-LTS. For example, I would suggest that you drop Quantal and Raring and only offer Precise and Saucy now. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo

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