Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
It would be useful to have a methodology flowchart and checklist. I could get behind this. Wolf Halton On Jan 15, 2011 9:31 AM, Francesc Mediterranean franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com wrote: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.commail%3afranc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
Yes i was reading the Migration Guide, and my idea is to create a methodology customer oriented. For instance, what happens with applications around MS Ofice that are using MS Extensions. Francesc El 16/01/2011, a las 01:24, Barbara Duprey escribió: On 1/15/2011 8:30 AM, Francesc Mediterranean wrote: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Just a question here -- have you reviewed the Migration Guide (http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf)? It apparently hasn't been rebranded yet from OpenOffice.org, but the content would be basically the same in either case barring some updates about the handling of OOXML files and MS-ODF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
Francesc, I am working on a 120.000 desktop migration. I think I saw many things that is good and evil. This is a change management project, and you can put it entirely into a PMBOK vanilla change management project. That does not means it will be easy to execute. Vendor lock-in thru specific proprietary extensions in migration projects is the holy grail of all users that hate the idea of loosing their beloved old and costly proprietary suite. If you fix this, they will cut their wrists and bleed to death. Beware! :-) You may publish tons of recomendations in a workgroup for this purpose, it will not avoid the need of a high qualified consultancy in migration. Whoever attemps to migrate large corporation just reading a couple of pages if doomed. You don't do change management that big without external help. Olivier Em 15-01-2011 12:30, Francesc Mediterranean escreveu: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise Translation Leader for Brazilian Portuguese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
Hi, I believe that Olivier has a point here, but Francesc (welcome, Francesc!) has an interesting idea. Wiki pages collecting methodologies, feedback on migrations, knowledge, etc. can only help rising the level of service providers and help even our developers and marketeers gain a deeper understanding of these issues. In fact I could go even further and claim there aren''t many people who have a solid understanding of these matters, even here. So I would like to support the creation of this workgroup (let's be informal here), knowing that indeed it cannot replace actual consultancy but can generate interesting and valubale materials. Francesc, please feel free to open page(s) on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org, I'll be glad to help if I can , and perhaps would Olivier add some more content too :-) Best, Charles. Le Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:03:48 -0200, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Francesc, I am working on a 120.000 desktop migration. I think I saw many things that is good and evil. This is a change management project, and you can put it entirely into a PMBOK vanilla change management project. That does not means it will be easy to execute. Vendor lock-in thru specific proprietary extensions in migration projects is the holy grail of all users that hate the idea of loosing their beloved old and costly proprietary suite. If you fix this, they will cut their wrists and bleed to death. Beware! :-) You may publish tons of recomendations in a workgroup for this purpose, it will not avoid the need of a high qualified consultancy in migration. Whoever attemps to migrate large corporation just reading a couple of pages if doomed. You don't do change management that big without external help. Olivier Em 15-01-2011 12:30, Francesc Mediterranean escreveu: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
On 01/16/2011 12:49 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: So I would like to support the creation of this workgroup (let's be informal here), knowing that indeed it cannot replace actual consultancy but can generate interesting and valubale materials. I am interested in taking part in the workgroup, as this is one area where we definitely should start to think about a certification process for migrations. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
I think this kind of wiki pages may be high quality ones! So I think they are welcome and very useful like, however, many other high level wikis. With reference to the migration wiki I would underline the need of a macro and VBA migration wiki. With also some looks to the next LibreOffice Calc Engine (or Spread as well as Barbara Duprey likes ;-) so that people already know where we are going to. I talk about macros and VBA because, e.g., in Italy we have [1] some important solar energy system design Excel 2007 (or upper) sheets also for economic evaluation and time economic simulation and one sheet for building energetic certification. These sheets: - SIMULARE_9.xlsm by eng. Alessandro Caffarelli; - Certificare_1.0.xls by eng. Giovanna de Simone are free released by they are working only on Microsoft Excle 2007 (or upper). I already contact them (the two engineers) explait them OOo 3.3, TDF, Libò 3.3, multi-platform, openness, open licenses, ...: they understand and agree to the values but at the moment they have no time to migrate (and re teach themselves another Office suite). The two engineers are working in Rome also in a high quality spin off of the Università degli Studi di Roma TOR Vergata, one of Rome's Universities. So, may be I (and/or other people) will tray (in the next future and speaking with the two enginners) to convert/migrate these useful sheets to spread this software market for a better energy quality World and so I could appreciate the wiki and I could also integrate it with new content. My 2 cents. Carlo p.s. [1] http://www.ingalessandrocaffarelli.it/ http://giovannadesimone.wordpress.com/ http://www.ingegneri.cc/ http://www.energeticambiente.it/ http://www.ingegneri.cc/articolo/3798/Disponibile-gratuitamente-nuovo-simulatore-fotovoltaico-in-Conto-Energia-2011 http://giovannadesimone.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/software-gratuito-per-la-certificazione-energetica-degli-edifici/ Il 16/01/2011 12:49, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hi, I believe that Olivier has a point here, but Francesc (welcome, Francesc!) has an interesting idea. Wiki pages collecting methodologies, feedback on migrations, knowledge, etc. can only help rising the level of service providers and help even our developers and marketeers gain a deeper understanding of these issues. In fact I could go even further and claim there aren''t many people who have a solid understanding of these matters, even here. So I would like to support the creation of this workgroup (let's be informal here), knowing that indeed it cannot replace actual consultancy but can generate interesting and valubale materials. Francesc, please feel free to open page(s) on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org, I'll be glad to help if I can , and perhaps would Olivier add some more content too :-) Best, Charles. Le Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:03:48 -0200, Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Francesc, I am working on a 120.000 desktop migration. I think I saw many things that is good and evil. This is a change management project, and you can put it entirely into a PMBOK vanilla change management project. That does not means it will be easy to execute. Vendor lock-in thru specific proprietary extensions in migration projects is the holy grail of all users that hate the idea of loosing their beloved old and costly proprietary suite. If you fix this, they will cut their wrists and bleed to death. Beware! :-) You may publish tons of recomendations in a workgroup for this purpose, it will not avoid the need of a high qualified consultancy in migration. Whoever attemps to migrate large corporation just reading a couple of pages if doomed. You don't do change management that big without external help. Olivier Em 15-01-2011 12:30, Francesc Mediterranean escreveu: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
Ok, I´m sure that this new group will be a repository of practices, methods, feedback migrations , and others. Then, now which is the following step to create the group. ? Touch in contact, Francesc El 16/01/2011, a las 22:09, Olivier Hallot escribió: Oh yes, don't get me wrong, I am OK with the workgroup. We will collect a set of best practices in migration projects. Just that it will not lead to a single push of a button. Olivier Em 16-01-2011 09:49, Charles-H. Schulz escreveu: Hi, I believe that Olivier has a point here, but Francesc (welcome, Francesc!) has an interesting idea. Wiki pages collecting methodologies, feedback on migrations, knowledge, etc. can only help rising the level of service providers and help even our developers and marketeers gain a deeper understanding of these issues. In fact I could go even further and claim there aren''t many people who have a solid understanding of these matters, even here. So I would like to support the creation of this workgroup (let's be informal here), knowing that indeed it cannot replace actual consultancy but can generate interesting and valubale materials. Francesc, please feel free to open page(s) on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org, I'll be glad to help if I can , and perhaps would Olivier add some more content too :-) Best, Charles. Le Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:03:48 -0200, Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Francesc, I am working on a 120.000 desktop migration. I think I saw many things that is good and evil. This is a change management project, and you can put it entirely into a PMBOK vanilla change management project. That does not means it will be easy to execute. Vendor lock-in thru specific proprietary extensions in migration projects is the holy grail of all users that hate the idea of loosing their beloved old and costly proprietary suite. If you fix this, they will cut their wrists and bleed to death. Beware! :-) You may publish tons of recomendations in a workgroup for this purpose, it will not avoid the need of a high qualified consultancy in migration. Whoever attemps to migrate large corporation just reading a couple of pages if doomed. You don't do change management that big without external help. Olivier Em 15-01-2011 12:30, Francesc Mediterranean escreveu: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise Translation Leader for Brazilian Portuguese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
On 1/15/2011 8:30 AM, Francesc Mediterranean wrote: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Just a question here -- have you reviewed the Migration Guide (http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf)? It apparently hasn't been rebranded yet from OpenOffice.org, but the content would be basically the same in either case barring some updates about the handling of OOXML files and MS-ODF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
