Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files
Hi Olivier, Olivier Hallot píše v So 17. 12. 2016 v 14:54 -0200: > One thing I'd like to add for evaluation of using XML for the help > contents in browsers is that, in my experience: > > * XSLT (XML style sheets), XPath and XQuery are another technologies > to master. > > * An error in a XSLT statement and one get a blank page or a message > with very little indications (Firefox) > > * XSLT seems to be an aging technology. Is the industry betting in this > technology for the future? > > * Rendering XML+XSLT is browser-dependent and is not publicly/widely > tested by W3C. We may be forced to test the results into a wide set of > browsers. Nothing stops us from rewriting the XLST transformation to plain JavaScript, and handle the XHP files directly via JS if XSLT is blocking us. [And this is a reasonably self-contained, and easily testable task: The XHP -> HTML conversion has to give the same results before and after the rewrite for all the files. We've got rid of XSLT in writerfilter the same way few years ago.] And maybe we'll eventually end up with using the plain HTML5 directly - I definitely don't want to block evolution (even though at the moment I see more drawbacks than gains). But that's my main point - I want an evolution, not a revolution. Every time I hear about "helpcontent*3*" or "let's move to html5", I get extremely scared, because such claims seem to suggest that we have to throw away what we have & rewrite everything first, and miss what we want to achieve in the first place; which from what I know is: 1) add multimedia content 2) make the editing easier But neither 1) nor 2) have html5 (or a complete rewrite) as a pre-requisite, for both these goals there is an incremental upgrade path possible: Improving XHP step by step. All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files
Hi Jan Em 16/12/2016 15:41, Jan Holesovsky escreveu: > Hi, > > khagaroth píše v Pá 16. 12. 2016 v 17:51 +0100: > >>> I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance). >> html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need) >>> in the help files (like or to name few) >>> >> Both and are part of HTML 5 and there is a good chance >> the other things are as well. > They are, but they mean a completely different thing than what they mean > in XHP ;-) > > in XHP is more like data="foo.inc">. > > Similarly is more like a with some associated css. > > Again - I'm talking semantics; is a general thing, and has no > semantics by itself, similarly . We'd lose this by converting to a > plain HTML. > > All the best, > Kendy > > One thing I'd like to add for evaluation of using XML for the help contents in browsers is that, in my experience: * XSLT (XML style sheets), XPath and XQuery are another technologies to master. * An error in a XSLT statement and one get a blank page or a message with very little indications (Firefox) * XSLT seems to be an aging technology. Is the industry betting in this technology for the future? * Rendering XML+XSLT is browser-dependent and is not publicly/widely tested by W3C. We may be forced to test the results into a wide set of browsers. Regards -- Olivier Hallot LIbreOffice Documentation Coordinator Comunidade LibreOffice Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-02:00 http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files
Hi All
Em 16/12/2016 14:51, khagaroth escreveu:
>> it seems the goal is to move away from .xhp to .xhtml
>>
>> I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance).
> html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need)
>> in the help files (like or to name few)
>>
> Both and are part of HTML 5 and there is a good chance
> the other things are as well.
>
> there are many ways how to describe the same thing in html ('s and 's
>> vs. and vs. 's with css vs. who-knows-what)
>
> CSS is the preferred way, its the same as with styles and direct formatting
> in Writer.
>
The complete XHP reference is here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HelpContentAuthoring/3
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files
Hi, khagaroth píše v Pá 16. 12. 2016 v 17:51 +0100: > > I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance). > > html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need) > > in the help files (like or to name few) > > > > Both and are part of HTML 5 and there is a good chance > the other things are as well. They are, but they mean a completely different thing than what they mean in XHP ;-) in XHP is more like . Similarly is more like a with some associated css. Again - I'm talking semantics; is a general thing, and has no semantics by itself, similarly . We'd lose this by converting to a plain HTML. All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
