[DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Perhaps this is a fluke, but if not, something is seriously wrong with the system. I'm looking at the lotw stats at http://www.arrl.org/logbook-queue-status 2012-12-14 11:02:10 28,382 8,932,232 3,874,028,579 2012-12-04 16:13:53 (9d 18h 48m 17s ago) 2012-12-14 10:02:27 28,370 8,960,484 3,884,882,489 2012-12-04 15:58:15 (9d 18h 04m 12s ago) Note that the number of QSOs to be processed dropped by ~28000 and the data to be processed dropped by about 10 Meg. The backlog increased by 44 minutes. Hmm... Barry W2UP --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Barry, The reported backlog is simply the time between upload of the last processed file and the reporting epoch. It is a backward looking statistic and not predictive. If you want predictive, look at the number of QSOs in the queue - which continues to increase - and apply an value for processing rate derived from the QSOs/time watching the home page or calculated based on processing time for some of the uploads in your activity from your own account. I use a factor of 360 QSOs/minute which makes the predictive delay for new uploads about 25,000 minutes or 17 days, 6 hours. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 9:29 AM, Barry wrote: Perhaps this is a fluke, but if not, something is seriously wrong with the system. I'm looking at the lotw stats at http://www.arrl.org/logbook-queue-status 2012-12-14 11:02:10 28,382 8,932,232 3,874,028,579 2012-12-04 16:13:53 (9d 18h 48m 17s ago) 2012-12-14 10:02:27 28,370 8,960,484 3,884,882,489 2012-12-04 15:58:15 (9d 18h 04m 12s ago) Note that the number of QSOs to be processed dropped by ~28000 and the data to be processed dropped by about 10 Meg. The backlog increased by 44 minutes. Hmm... Barry W2UP --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. With a very large database, decreases in throughput can just as easily be due to reaching a tipping point in the database structure (the point at which the indexing fails). Since there has been no diagnostic data reported to support the hardware hypothesis, users are left in a trust me position while the processing delay vaults past ten days as of approximately 16:30z today - on its way to 20 days by the end of the month. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 11:42 AM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
On 12/14/2012 11:24 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. Joe, please tell me what my other choices are With a very large database, decreases in throughput can just as easily be due to reaching a tipping point in the database structure (the point at which the indexing fails). Since there has been no diagnostic data reported to support the hardware hypothesis, users are left in a trust me position while the processing delay vaults past ten days as of approximately 16:30z today - on its way to 20 days by the end of the month. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 11:42 AM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
No Ryan, the League is not a dictatorship. To answer more generically, and not specifically to you (or just you): However: If you want change, and are not happy with the current situation with the Logbook server... kvetching about it on this reflector will not accomplish anything. And I think that was, in a roundabout way, Charlie's point. Not to pick on any one individual, but between the various DX contest related email reflectors I'm on, and the various web site forums I participate in (I still owe you a drink at the bar), there do seem to be a handful of people who are constantly nitpicking at every little detail. Again: I'm not saying that they're wrong to do so (nor am I saying that they're right to do so, mind you). I AM saying that they are kvetching in the wrong forum. They've made their point, and now it becomes piling on. As I've said before, here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation, don't post about it on a forum, or send an email to a reflector. WRITE YOUR DIVISION DIRECTOR and tell HIM (or HER). Write the ARRL President and VP's. THEY are the Board of Directors. THEY set policy. Not the HQ staff (at least on paper). And the policy they set is supposed to be based on what WE, the membership, tell them. And I think the recent revelation of new hardware being ordered, with delivery installation expected in a few weeks, means that they've heard us. But that doesn't mean we should stop -- just that we need to voice our opinions in the right way to the right people. But: if we don't tell them... nothing will change. 73, ron w3wn On 12/14/12, Ryan Jairam wrote: Has the league become a dictatorship now? Last I checked I voted in elections a month ago... We aren't just customers of ARRL, we ARE ARRL and if we don't like how things are going, we have a right to demand change. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A n...@knology.net wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
That's correct, Ron. You complain about it to your division director, who will speak on your behalf. But there's nothing wrong with discussing it here, IMO. Maybe they DO read things here... I work in web technology for a living, and you know what? Sometimes I do go searching the web for things that people are complaining about our sites. Sometimes I even get requests from others working with me, where people are complaining in various other places about little things. Social sites such as Twitter and Facebook are especially useful for this. It's not the preferred method but sometimes it gathers the right attention, and I think people speak more freely this way instead of when the complain directly to you. As for hardware fixing the problem, based on my past experience, I don't think it will make much difference unless they were running 10 year old hardware, or someone's old recycled PC. I literally shook my head when they said they thought that replacing spinning iron with solid state drives would help significantly. I personally think that's not going to work. But I could be wrong, so let's hope it works. But from other places I gather that they are doing something on the software front as well, so we'll see what they do. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote: No Ryan, the League is not a dictatorship. To answer more generically, and not specifically to you (or just you): However: If you want change, and are not happy with the current situation with the Logbook server... kvetching about it on this reflector will not accomplish anything. And I think that was, in a roundabout way, Charlie's point. Not to pick on any one individual, but between the various DX contest related email reflectors I'm on, and the various web site forums I participate in (I still owe you a drink at the bar), there do seem to be a handful of people who are constantly nitpicking at every little detail. Again: I'm not saying that they're wrong to do so (nor am I saying that they're right to do so, mind you). I AM saying that they are kvetching in the wrong forum. They've made their point, and now it becomes piling on. As I've said before, here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation, don't post about it on a forum, or send an email to a reflector. WRITE YOUR DIVISION DIRECTOR and tell HIM (or HER). Write the ARRL President and VP's. THEY are the Board of Directors. THEY set policy. Not the HQ staff (at least on paper). And the policy they set is supposed to be based on what WE, the membership, tell them. And I think the recent revelation of new hardware being ordered, with delivery installation expected in a few weeks, means that they've heard us. But that doesn't mean we should stop -- just that we need to voice our opinions in the right way to the right people. But: if we don't tell them... nothing will change. 73, ron w3wn On 12/14/12, Ryan Jairam wrote: Has the league become a dictatorship now? Last I checked I voted in elections a month ago... We aren't just customers of ARRL, we ARE ARRL and if we don't like how things are going, we have a right to demand change. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A n...@knology.net wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
OK, great idea, and then what? If we believe that the present IT dept isn't being truthful with us, why should we expect that our 'insisting will change anything? Quite sometime ago I suggested to my director that LoTW be shut down for as long as necessary to achieve a long term solution. IMHO, my only practical choice is to relax and wait. Clearly, pitching a bitch here hasn't worked, and isn't likely to. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 11:59 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Insist on transparency from ARRL. I have a problem believing a solution presented as the only option by the same IT department that allowed LotW to run out of disk space and crash. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 12:31 PM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: On 12/14/2012 11:24 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. Joe, please tell me what my other choices are --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
