[e-gold-list] A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
For some strange reason all gold currencies penalize users by keeping entry costs high and exit costs low. The last post of (first in a very long time?) from on high left me puzzled. Is e-gold seeing this all from it's exchanger OmniPay's perspective as well? Especially in a falling spot market

[e-gold-list] Re: scripting issue

2003-06-26 Thread Joris Bontje
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 09:04:38PM -0400, Gordon H. wrote: this issue has now been solved by Joris and he has received the loot of 35USD(e-gold)! or 3 grams approx ;-) Yes, I can confirm that I got the e-gold from Gordon. Thanks! Joris Bontje - --

[e-gold-list] Re: DO NOT USE FREECASCARDS!!!

2003-06-26 Thread luu wong
well as least you got a card, i've got sweet dick all and no one is returning my emails. this is an embarrasment to netpay.tv. I specifically asked netpay before paying if freecashcards were legit and they said oh sure real nice folks, you can trust them blah blah blah etc etc. Why would any

[e-gold-list] Freecashcards debit card !?!?!?!?

2003-06-26 Thread luu wong
Has anyone received a Freecashcards debit card? On May 30/03 I made payment of $17.00 to their account 2154546 with batch number 234149. Since then no card delivered and now no one at Freecashcards is responding to my emails. Is this a scam? i sure hope not. It's only $17.00 but very

[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion

2003-06-26 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
It's getting rather funny indeed. The ipo was not too well prepared if you ask me. Compared to which IPOs? RedHat and VALinux come to mind... (These companies went up hugely their first days (suggesting a waste of potential share price by the issuer!) then subsequently went WAAY down).

[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion

2003-06-26 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
: Now, TGC is on record that the 400 shares they issue have right to vote. : OK. : What does that mean? Danny, clearly you have misunderstood the voting rights attached to shares. The fact that these shares have voting rights does not mean that you can practically vote if you have one of

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets[was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread James M. Ray
At 2:26 AM -0400 6/26/03, Robert S.Z. wrote: ... The current system really benefits no-one. On the contrary, because of larger hoardes of a few individuals, real circulation growth is dropping. Er...Have you examined Examiner lately??? It's apparently dropping and growing at the same time! What

[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion

2003-06-26 Thread James M. Ray
At 11:21 AM +0300 6/26/03, Danny Van den Berghe wrote: ... As for the price shooting up and collapse next, that's something you have not so much control over. I disagree. There were MANY obvious signs that many IPOs were initially underpriced, and this underpricing was used as a way to

[e-gold-list] Here is another scam letter!

2003-06-26 Thread Bob Pavonia
Dear all, Below is another scam letter that was sent in to my inbox. Please be careful and don't reply to the similar messages. Yours, Bob Pavonia Subject: Your e-gold account has been disabled From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear e-gold member, we are sorry to inform you that we

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets[was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
Hello JM, Sorry but you do seem to be missing my point. Where is the benefit for our little economy in 100,000 new accounts with an average balance of 0.05gg ? Unless they all buy books - and quick - there is no circulation. Without circulation there is no benefit for new merchants. Why did JP

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread James M. Ray
At 6:39 AM -0400 6/26/03, Robert S.Z. wrote: Hello JM, Sorry but you do seem to be missing my point. Where is the benefit for our little economy in 100,000 new accounts with an average balance of 0.05gg ? Lots of people all over the world are reading email for pay, and they are slowly getting

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
So your argument is that this is right because everybody does it and because it's always been done that way?. Your counter-argument against my point that the current system does not enhance usage and entice new users *as good as it could* is plenty of people pay to read e-mail the world over and

[e-gold-list] recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread jrw
can someone condense the recent spread arguments down to a sentence or paragraph? am i right in thinking everyone thinks exchangers should have a spread between bid and ask, but are discussing how that spread should be centered? lets say i went to kitco.com just now and decided to buy some

[e-gold-list] Re: recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread jpm
It's very difficult Jay --- the fact is, BECAUSE e-gold rocks so much you expect to get spot for it. But let's be more specific ... Example, I sell you my car for $5000 worth, you're gonna click $5000, not $4950, nor am I going to demand $5050f or a $5000 worth transaction. {IN CONTRAST, say

[e-gold-list] Re: recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread jrw
thanks, JP - you're saying it's a perception thing right? skip ahead 20 years... the world's economy is handled using various forms of electronic gold. just about everyone uses it. however there are a few oddballs out there - they use this currency call FReNs. (the majority call them

[e-gold-list] Re: recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
can someone condense the recent spread arguments down to a sentence or paragraph? am i right in thinking everyone thinks exchangers should have a spread between bid and ask, but are discussing how that spread should be centered? Hello Jay, It does appear that most people agree that MM

[e-gold-list] Re: recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread Craig Spencer
On 26 Jun 2003, at 9:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, JP - you're saying it's a perception thing right? The whole idea of arguing about whether there should be a spread and where it should be centered is absurd. That presuposes someone has a choice about it. Those questions should, and

[e-gold-list] pooling for a share

2003-06-26 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Friends, As you all know, Dbourse has announced the availability of shares in the Gold Casino. These go for 100 grams each. If you have a hundred grams to invest, go for it! If not, you might contact me. I just received 11 grams for a tenth share and 1.1 grams for a hundredth share.

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread James M. Ray
At 7:45 AM -0400 6/26/03, Robert S.Z. wrote: So your argument is that this is right because everybody does it and because it's always been done that way?. Those are only 2 of the argumentS, but I did invite you to find a real- world system that does it your way, and so far you have not... Your

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
Sorry James, I still don't see your logic. Just because for ages everybody believed that the Earth was flat and burnt people who had a different opinion, didn't make the world flat. But, that aside, you don't seem to fathom that merchants think differently. I am a merchant, NOT an exchanger. And

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread jrw
sell something those people want? How do I explain to someone who is perfectly happy to use US$ that he should loose 3-5% to get e-gold and a bit dated, but merchants that are accepting credit cards can compare their savings using e-gold vs. plastic here: http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/cc.asp

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Shop With Gold
I think that merchants need to offer e-gold users a discount. Show the buyer that they are saving by using e-gold opposed to CC's Nicole sell something those people want? How do I explain to someone who is perfectly happy to use US$ that he should loose 3-5% to get e-gold and a bit dated,

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Robert S.Z. wrote: There are huge prospects in India and China - where are the merchants that sell something those people want? How do I explain to someone who is perfectly happy to use US$ that he should loose 3-5% to get e-gold and then loose 1-2% to

[e-gold-list] Re: A Tale of a Merchant and Other thoughts

2003-06-26 Thread Ragnar
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[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 03:07 PM, James M. Ray wrote: This economy has grown since 1996, it's sustained just fine! Good is not always good enough. Perhaps lowering the barriers to entry will make e-gold even more successful. PS Patrick. Yes, the merchants WOULD howl! Yes, that is true.

[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion

2003-06-26 Thread Adam Selene
I disagree. There were MANY obvious signs that many IPOs were initially underpriced, and this underpricing was used as a way to compensate/retain good customers such as eBay's Meg Whitman, so brokerages were aware of the phenomenon and had plenty of control over it (and who benefited from

[e-gold-list] Re: share market successes

2003-06-26 Thread Adam Selene
Dividends on any class of stock cannot be guaranteed. Who was the fool who said they are guaranteed? The trouble with this sort of loose talk, Adam, is it vaguely implies DBourse or something claims they are guaranteed, which would of course be bizarre. I guess you just did. My post made

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[e-gold-list] Re: share market successes

2003-06-26 Thread Adam Selene
Based on current price of gold, TGC will owe US$321,667 per year in dividend payments, of which only $32,1667 is paid to outside investors, and $289,500 is paid to the other 3600 shares presumably held by TGC founders and staff. What you're trying to say, I reckon, is that based on the

[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion

2003-06-26 Thread James M. Ray
At 2:08 PM -0600 6/26/03, Adam Selene wrote: ... Really? Do you mind posting the ticker symbols of which stocks' IPOs you believe were underpriced? Well, I've mentioned RHAT and I think VA is LNUX, but go back to 1999/2000 and it's just about any tech company. The fact that Meg Whitman and other

[e-gold-list] Re: Exchange Rates (was Re: Speaking of cutting loosses)

2003-06-26 Thread Cambist.net
From: Reid Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:13:32 -0400 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Exchange Rates (was Re: Speaking of cutting loosses) --- Hi John, I felt moved to respond (inline below) to some points you raised. However, before

[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion

2003-06-26 Thread Cambist.net
From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:21:26 +0300 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion It's getting rather funny indeed. The ipo was not too well prepared if you ask me. When I say the ipo was not too

[e-gold-list] Re: $1000 E-Gold prize draw daily atGalaxy-casino.com

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[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
Hello James, you've yet to find me one currency market that does what you'd like! --- I actually had started on arguing the e-gold wasn't technically a currency just yet, but an exchnage facilitator and went to length to explain why. But then I thought better of it, because I consider this

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Robert S.Z.
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[e-gold-list] Re: recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread jpm
thanks, JP - you're saying it's a perception thing right? well, everything's a perception thing. I'm saying that e-gold is trying to be or is meant to be or is often used as, money -- and that is a very good argument for why it should go AT SPOT. I was also pointing out that if you and I use

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Cambist.net
From: James M. Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's PLENTY of circulation (and velocity! See stats!!). I think YOU are missing Reid's point. Find a currency that does what you wish in the real world. You can't. Why? Because it's rational for independent exchanges to charge a spread *BOTH* ways.

[e-gold-list] Re: recent discussions - need a summary

2003-06-26 Thread Cambist.net
JP may wrote: My prediction: eventually Omnipay will go back to handing out spot for e-gold. e-gold is spotty (another incredible JPism), like it or not. It will never not be spotty. Not getting spot for it is stupid. If I'm paying a designer $1000 in egold, its inconceivable I'd

[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.]

2003-06-26 Thread Cambist.net
From: Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:26:10 -0400 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets [was: cutting losses, etc.] Good is not always good enough. Perhaps lowering the barriers to entry