[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread David Hillary
very well said Patrick. Remember, however that strong stuff can and does become conventional white bread stuff. David From: Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] The first time I saw Paypal I figured it would be pretty successful because it had that nice happy conventional white-bread look and

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
Patrick wrote: The first time I saw Paypal I figured it would be pretty successful because it had that nice happy conventional white-bread look and attitude, kind of like an AOL, Microsoft, or Disney. That stuff really sells, though personally I don't find it attractive. I like the

[e-gold-list] Fw: E-gold Departament ANOTHER SCAM

2002-09-18 Thread marco
e-gold page not foundA brand new scam... Too bad hte list manager doesn't allow HTML, you should see it..a nice egold login page popping up right in front of you... It got me confused for a few seconds..! marco - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 18,

[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: E-gold Departament ANOTHER SCAM

2002-09-18 Thread uberhacker
Send me a copy of the email Marco. You have my address. Thanks goodness for the fact that most hackers can't spell. Watch out for messages from the E-gold Depart-a-ment. Perhaps it's the Italian division. Sorry Marco ;-) BRYAN e-gold page not foundA brand new scam... Too bad hte list

[e-gold-list] E-gold Departament

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
Hi: The latest e-Gold fraud just crossed my e-desk. They can't even spell department correctly. The usual crap about entering your account and passphrase. This time they even have the turing number. It looks like they went to merchants who use the system, as they have our Automated Press

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
I think JP's May Scale of Monetary Hardness works against the widespread use of internet gold. http://interestingsoftware.com/mayscale.html I'm not saying it's a death sentence for gold, but it's a simple fact of nature that it's difficult to go uphill on the monetary hardness scale. People

[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: E-gold Departament ANOTHER SCAM

2002-09-18 Thread uberhacker
...actually, after looking at the headers, I'm 90% sure I know who these people are. Hopefully nobody got ripped off and I don't have to turn them in. BRYAN --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's

[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold Departament

2002-09-18 Thread James M. Ray
In addition to the creative spelling, this criminal helpfully copied e-gold's Are you secure graphic, which will prevent anyone who reads it from trusting the super-long URL on the bogus site-with-no-SSL... JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
Patrick wrote: A friend of mine read an excellent book that talked about this strategy of growing a web business up on its own merits, with steady increases in profitability and market share, instead of through massive force-feeding of venture capital. I forgot the title, but when I get it

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread uberhacker
e-gold is not in the same business as PrayPal. (indeed - they are OPPOSITE businesses.) PrayPal is part of the banking system of USDollars. e-gold relates to money itself. This fundamental difference is lost on the vast majority of people. To most, PayPal is a digital currency, or at

[e-gold-list] It's all relative (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
Hi: The arguments about e-Gold and PayPal are all interesting. If you look at PayPal, as a bank, then yes folks are right. However, if you look at both e-Gold and PayPal as digital currency companies, then they are in the same business. The major strength that both offer is the ability to

[e-gold-list] Re: George = Bryan???

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
At 12:52 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, uberhacker wrote: What is it this morning with George and I sending the same kinds of comments on things at virtually the same time? Scary. Am I becoming George or is George becoming me? If I'm becoming George, I'm going to get fat eating his wife's cooking. You

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
paypal reminds me of standard reserve (what's the latest on the SR affair by the way? anyone know?!) -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing

[e-gold-list] Re: George = Bryan???

2002-09-18 Thread uberhacker
Phyllis retired her kitchen ;-( Really? That only leaves one place in the house where you should allow her to go then. Hahaha. (For those on this list who never had the pleasure of eating Phyllis' cooking, you don't know what you're missing. She should sell recipes from that big book of hers

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread uberhacker
(what's the latest on the SR affair by the way? anyone know?!) I have no inside info. Some time back I sent the woman listed on the standardreserve.com site as the liquidator an email telling her that she better not sell my personal possessions in the office there, which I wasn't in a position

[e-gold-list] Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread The Gaithman
JP, I personally see far too many differences between PRayPal and SR. SR was at least based on gold, with a digitized dollar, and had non-repudiation policies in place. To bad EJ dipped into customer deposits to cover his payroll and travel expenses! By the way...does anyone know the

[e-gold-list] Phyllis retired her gold kitchen??

2002-09-18 Thread The Gaithman
G-man and P, Phyllis retired her kitchen ;-( George What??? Phyllis retired her kitchen?? Was there a farewell ceremony? Why was I not invited?? How am I supposed to get good lasagna or Dirt Pie without her hanging over a hot stove for me? A sad day Eric --- You

[e-gold-list] SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
At 01:12 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: (what's the latest on the SR affair by the way? anyone know?!) I have no inside info. Some time back I sent the woman listed on the standardreserve.com site as the liquidator an email She doesn't particularly care. Other than what's on the site, nobody

[e-gold-list] Checks for free

2002-09-18 Thread marco
www.paybygold.com We are sending out FREE checks for egold or goldmoney redemptions, any amount! ...and this is on top of a 1% premium! So for every $100 you sent us, you will get a nice FREE check for $101! www.paybygold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as:

[e-gold-list] Re: SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread The Gaithman
Ken, My guess he was referring to the fact that two of the bigger players (not in terms of dollars, but numbers and investments) have gone under: i.e. SR and OS. There also seems to be a growing number of lawsuits between the companies involved (e-gold vs. goldmoney, e-gold vs. Charles

[e-gold-list] Re: Phyllis retired her gold kitchen??

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
At 12:17 PM 9/18/2002 -0500, The Gaithman wrote: Phyllis retired her kitchen ;-( George What??? Phyllis retired her kitchen?? Was there a farewell ceremony? Why was I not invited?? How am I supposed to get good lasagna or Dirt Pie without her hanging over a hot stove for me?

[e-gold-list] Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
At 02:56 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, Kenneth C. Griffith wrote: Why do you say the gold economy seems to be falling apart? Business is booming as customers from the companies that bombed have gone over to the remaining companies in the field. For all the reasons Eric stated plus some. There are a

[e-gold-list] Problems making spends - e-gold problem?

2002-09-18 Thread Ragnar
Anyone else having problems making spends in e-gold? = Regards, Ragnar CFO - http://www.gold-age.net Find a reputable exchange provider here: http://www.libertyimpact.com/ex.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

[e-gold-list] Re: Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread David Brooks
At 02:56 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, Kenneth C. Griffith wrote: Why do you say the gold economy seems to be falling apart? --- Which, IMHO, is the reason the gold economy is stagnant. George George, with respect, there is a significant difference between falling apart and stagnant. The

[e-gold-list] Re: SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread Kenneth C. Griffith
George, Why do you say the gold economy seems to be falling apart? Business is booming as customers from the companies that bombed have gone over to the remaining companies in the field. Ken --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank

[e-gold-list] just a sapling

2002-09-18 Thread Kenneth C. Griffith
Dave Brooks makes an excellent point. The gold economy is like a sapling in a forest of oak trees.Very little light gets down to the forest floor because the big oaks shade it out. Right now we are putting out a root system. The sapling doesn't look like much but the network is developing.

[e-gold-list] Market Makers and ability to reply to emails

2002-09-18 Thread Liberty-Web
Hi, As one of our Clients needed to find a MM for some precise job, I emailed what I supposed to be some serious market-makers, that I selected according the requests of my Client. Here are the results: Gaithmans: Still waiting a reply (4 days) Eurogoldline: Mail bounced Tampabay:

[e-gold-list] Re: just a sapling

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
At 06:02 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, Kenneth C. Griffith wrote: The gold economy needs slow growth for the first decade. Sudden success might cause sudden disaster. Slow growth is just fine. By 2006 the systems should be ready to go mainstream. And how do you foresee the gold economy going

[e-gold-list] Re: just a sapling

2002-09-18 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
At 06:02 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, Kenneth C. Griffith wrote: Dave Brooks makes an excellent point. The gold economy is like a sapling in a forest of oak trees.Very little light gets down to the forest floor because the big oaks shade it out. Right now we are putting out a root system. The

[e-gold-list] Re: SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread Edwin Woudt
There also seems to be a growing number of lawsuits between the companies involved (e-gold vs. goldmoney, e-gold vs. Charles Evans, e-gold vs. and on, and on) The Evans case was recently withdrawn by e-gold, two days after the final award in the Digigold case:

[e-gold-list] Re: Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re:Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
Zyman, former CMO of Coca Cola stated it quite clearly at a meeting we were in. how bizarre, what were you doing with Sergio, George? -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure

[e-gold-list] Re: SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
how bizarre! The Evans case was recently withdrawn by e-gold, two days after the final award in the Digigold case: http://www.systemics.com/legal/digigold/#evans GSR withdraws case On 30th August 2002, the case was withdrawn from the court, dismissed without prejudice. In the United States,

[e-gold-list] Re: Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re:Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread Goldtoday
David Brooks wrote: At 02:56 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, Kenneth C. Griffith wrote: Why do you say the gold economy seems to be falling apart? Which, IMHO, is the reason the gold economy is stagnant. George The demise of osgold and SR have a lot to do with the current stunned

[e-gold-list] Re: Market Makers and ability to reply to emails

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
Hi, As one of our Clients needed to find a MM for some precise job, I emailed what I supposed to be some serious market-makers, that I selected according the requests of my Client. Here are the results: Gaithmans: Still waiting a reply (4 days) Eurogoldline: Mail bounced Tampabay:

[e-gold-list] Re: just a sapling - confusion

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
Dave Brooks makes an excellent point. The gold economy is like a sapling in a forest of oak trees.Very little light gets down to the forest floor because the big oaks shade it out. That's really not even the best analogy, Ken. It's not complicated --- goldgrams (say e-gold or goldmoney)

[e-gold-list] Re: Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread George Matyjewicz
At 05:43 PM 9/18/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zyman, former CMO of Coca Cola stated it quite clearly at a meeting we were in. how bizarre, what were you doing with Sergio, George? He's a fellow Atlantan (when I'm there). We were at a conference together. Do you know him? BTW, he

[e-gold-list] RE: Market Makers and ability to reply to emails

2002-09-18 Thread David Mueller
Steve: Gold Mountain Exchange, LLC does try to respond to customer inquiries regularly. I try to keep my clients updated on the status of their orders. It can be sticky sometimes. I've not been able to fill my e-gold orders today, because the system is not finalizing the transactions. I've

[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] GoldMoney and Kitco join forces

2002-09-18 Thread JOHNNIE BRAVO
Hey Clod, That's a pretty good idea, except E-Bullion and Goldfinger Coin already did this about 14 months ago. 1) E-bullion launches with an Internal Message system -- GM add's an internal message system about 8 weeks later. 2) E-Bullion allows direct acct funding by accepting Coins and

[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] GoldMoney and Kitco join forces

2002-09-18 Thread jpm
3) E-Bullion launches with a precious metals dealer as it's primary wholesaler exchange provider -- GM copies this idea 12 months later. e-bullion is owned by goldfinger. -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL

[e-gold-list] Why don't we tell our friends and hope they get the hint, and then pass it on?

2002-09-18 Thread Fred Michaelis
I believe E-gold is going mainstream. The question is, at what speed. Some figures have been floating around. I don't remember where I saw them. A few month ago, there was the figure of 180 thousand people who were supposed to be using E-gold. Awhile latter, I saw the figure of 500 thousand.

[e-gold-list] Re: Why don't we tell our friends and hope they get the hint, and then pass it on?

2002-09-18 Thread Sidd
: We will only accept E-gold as currency. I : believe that it is up to us. Fred, I am interested to know why you only trust e-gold? Surely e-bullion and GoldMoney have some merit? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to

[e-gold-list] Re: Gold economy is stagnant

2002-09-18 Thread Ian Green
How can they afford the high fees of the mainstream economy?! E-gold fees are tiny. If it costs a lot to use a credit card to get money into the system then that is really a cost of the mainstream, fiat money and banking system. It's the old other side of the stream analogy. Sure it's

[e-gold-list] Re: Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re: Maybethey're winning

2002-09-18 Thread James M. Ray
George Matyjewicz wrote: At 02:56 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, Kenneth C. Griffith wrote: ... How can somebody in Indonesia, China and India, with 41.5% of the population, and with average per capita income of USD $649, afford the high fees of doing business in the gold economy? ???!!? As

[e-gold-list] Gold economy is stagnant (was SR (was Re: Maybe they're winning

2002-09-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- George Wrote - How can somebody in Indonesia, China and India, with 41.5% of the population, and with average per capita income of USD $649, afford the high fees of doing business in the gold economy? They can't. There are two major barriers to entry for

[e-gold-list] e-gold spends

2002-09-18 Thread Goldtoday
Still unable to complete spends at this time of writing. Any heads up on when this will be fixed by any chance? Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Member of the Gaithman Group of Companies An Accredited Founding Member of the eCurrency Trade Association Inc http://www.gold-today.com 'Always