[e-gold-list] Re: Re osgold.com

2001-03-24 Thread David Reed

Sidd,

First of all, I would like to say that I appreciate your
comments, as I can
always count on you to look into the technical side of a site
with the most
critical eye I have EVER seen in a discussion list.

Your use of "snippets" to create a whole picture is quite
amazing.  You
have taken several different ideas/plans for the future and
attempted to
roll them into this one site.

I have included your comments, each followed by mine in ( ).


He wants us to send our MONEY to him but he gives ABSOLUTELY
NO
representation about how he will deal with our money. There
are NO
terms and conditions, agreements or any other guarantees or
other
legal requirements on the site.

(The legal requirements are on the site at
http://www.osgold.com/services/terms.html)

Look at these Classic snippets from the web site:

"An OSGold Account is an online monetary system which allows
you to
convert money to gold, and then retain it online"

hm... and then...

"Store your GOLD in an Offshore Bank, where a transfer is as
easy as
clicking a button, and you immediately begin to earn a very
nice
interest on that gold.  Your gold is immediately converted to
a cash
value to protect you from the fluctuation in gold prices.
Yet, you
can convert back to OSGold at any time FOR FREE"

Ah... so now the gold I am retaining on line is actually CASH
to
protect against gold price changes... so what is it then,
online gold
or online cash?! Is there REALLY any gold there at all? The
gold is in
an offshore Bank?!? You earn "a(sic) very nice INTEREST" on
your
gold??! This is at least educational :)

(You write this as if it is included in the site description,
but it is actually in the
coming soon category where we discuss the future services
which will be available.
The gold you put into the OSGold site will remain as gold,
and the goldbank is
another site alltogether.)

"Investigate new opportunities, where your principal is
guaranteed,
where due diligence has been accomplished...where scams don't
exist..."

(This, again, is from the coming soon page and there will be
legitimate investment
opportunities offered through another site as well.)

Wow, now we're in heaven!

And just as an interesting aside (amidst the thousands of
other
questions going through my head) the security is done by HEN
Inc.???

(Just wondering, what is interesting about this?)

It may be going too far to call this a scam, but lets face
it, there
is no way this set up elicits TRUST!

Maybe I am just suspicious?

(Too suspicious, no.  Jumping to false conclusions based on
the improper use
of small site snippets, YES.)

The site will be fully updated with all necessary contact
information this week.
One thing that I would ask is this:

You are basing  a lot of trust issues on the fact that there
is no contact information.
With e-gold, the information is provided.  Yet you may still
wait a week or two to
receive a reply from them.  Actually, you may never receive a
reply from them when
asking questions about your account.  In a little over 24
hours, our support team has
answered/resolved over 500 inquiries and questions.  We
actually GUARANTEE a
24 hour turn around time for response to questions.

You mentioned in an earlier post that the site is
unprofessional.  When, in truth, the site
was not designed for the technical mind. The site was
designed for users who are fed up
with "technically sound" sites and unnecessary clutter.  What
you call unprofessional, our
users are calling a breath of fresh air.

Yes, the site still needs work.  And yes, there will be full
contact information given on the
site over the next few days along with the many other updates
we have planned.

At the same time, our straightforward approach and simple
design has attracted the creation
of over 2500 new accounts in the 30 hours the site has been
open for business.  While you
may be unfamiliar with One Groupe International, the Internet
at large is familiar with us and
we have already built a relationship of trust with our
current clients.

Rome was not built in a day, and neither was E-Gold, Amazon,
Yahoo, AOL, or any of the
other successful Internet sites.

Warmest regards,


David




















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[e-gold-list] Re: Re osgold.com

2001-03-21 Thread Michael Moore

James,

Well I am happy that we have such a swift and happy response.

Glad to know this is bona fide. We can only benefit by competition as was
just recently pointed out.

I have recieved a email from David (with whom I am aquainted) and am
satisfied this is a genuine site.

I can see there will be bugs and problems to attend to but of course  no
site ever started off perfect  (least of all e-gold), and I am assured these
bugs will be attended too.

I have indicated to David that on the basis of the info below and in his
email, I would be pleased to be considered as a Market Maker for osgold.


Kind regards,

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 this is not a scam guys, dont get carried away. I know the guy who started
 this. He has been working on setting this up for months.  It is not a
piggy
 back to e-gold at all, in fact they have better customer service than
 e-gold.  I am a market maker for them, you have to keep in mind that this
is
 still very new, and there will be bugs.



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[e-gold-list] Re: Re osgold.com

2001-03-21 Thread Sidd

As a follow up to his OSGold post, Michael Moore wrote:

Glad to know this is bona fide. We can only benefit by competition as
was
just recently pointed out.

I have recieved a email from David (with whom I am aquainted) and am
satisfied this is a genuine site.

I can see there will be bugs and problems to attend to but of course
no
site ever started off perfect  (least of all e-gold), and I am
assured these
bugs will be attended too.

I have indicated to David that on the basis of the info below and in
his
email, I would be pleased to be considered as a Market Maker for
osgold.



Mike,

Methinks you are too quick to accept a few placating words...

Take a close look at this! There are FAR too many HUGE holes in this
thing to conclude that this is above board. At the very least, we need
to be concerned that this person has absolutely has NO IDEA what he is
doing.

He wants us to send our MONEY to him but he gives ABSOLUTELY NO
representation about how he will deal with our money. There are NO
terms and conditions, agreements or any other guarantees or other
legal requirements on the site.

When did any financial institution ever get away with opening up a
service to the public while it was still full of blatant bugs?

It is EXTREMELY suspicious (and against the regulations) to put
misleading or false contact information for the registrant of a domain
name. If this person is honest why is he not giving valid contact
details on the site and on the domain registration? Something to hide?

Where is the gold to be kept? Who guarantees the gold is there? In
what form is the gold? And 100 more very pertinent questions leap to
mind...

Look at these Classic snippets from the web site:

"An OSGold Account is an online monetary system which allows you to
convert money to gold, and then retain it online"

hm... and then...

"Store your GOLD in an Offshore Bank, where a transfer is as easy as
clicking a button, and you immediately begin to earn a very nice
interest on that gold.  Your gold is immediately converted to a cash
value to protect you from the fluctuation in gold prices.  Yet, you
can convert back to OSGold at any time FOR FREE"

Ah... so now the gold I am retaining on line is actually CASH to
protect against gold price changes... so what is it then, online gold
or online cash?! Is there REALLY any gold there at all? The gold is in
an offshore Bank?!? You earn "a(sic) very nice INTEREST" on your
gold??! This is at least educational :)

"Investigate new opportunities, where your principal is guaranteed,
where due diligence has been accomplished...where scams don't
exist..."

Wow, now we're in heaven!

And just as an interesting aside (amidst the thousands of other
questions going through my head) the security is done by HEN Inc.???

It may be going too far to call this a scam, but lets face it, there
is no way this set up elicits TRUST!

Maybe I am just suspicious?

Best regards,

Sidd.

Worth 2 cents? http://2cw.org/sidd




















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[e-gold-list] Re: Re osgold.com

2001-03-21 Thread SnowDog

 He wants us to send our MONEY to him but he gives ABSOLUTELY NO
 representation about how he will deal with our money. There are NO
 terms and conditions, agreements or any other guarantees or other
 legal requirements on the site.

The terms of use are here:

http://www.osgold.com/services/terms.html




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[e-gold-list] Re: Re osgold.com

2001-03-21 Thread Michael Moore

Perhaps David can respond?
MM


From: "Sidd" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 He wants us to send our MONEY to him but he gives ABSOLUTELY NO
 representation about how he will deal with our money. There are NO
 terms and conditions, agreements or any other guarantees or other
 legal requirements on the site.
 
 When did any financial institution ever get away with opening up a
 service to the public while it was still full of blatant bugs?
 
 It is EXTREMELY suspicious (and against the regulations) to put
 misleading or false contact information for the registrant of a domain
 name. If this person is honest why is he not giving valid contact
 details on the site and on the domain registration? Something to hide?
 
 Where is the gold to be kept? Who guarantees the gold is there? In
 what form is the gold? And 100 more very pertinent questions leap to
 mind...
 
 Look at these Classic snippets from the web site:
 
 "An OSGold Account is an online monetary system which allows you to
 convert money to gold, and then retain it online"
 
 hm... and then...
 
 "Store your GOLD in an Offshore Bank, where a transfer is as easy as
 clicking a button, and you immediately begin to earn a very nice
 interest on that gold.  Your gold is immediately converted to a cash
 value to protect you from the fluctuation in gold prices.  Yet, you
 can convert back to OSGold at any time FOR FREE"
 
 Ah... so now the gold I am retaining on line is actually CASH to
 protect against gold price changes... so what is it then, online gold
 or online cash?! Is there REALLY any gold there at all? The gold is in
 an offshore Bank?!? You earn "a(sic) very nice INTEREST" on your
 gold??! This is at least educational :)




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