Cynical as usual, are we Earl? ;^) So, we're back to the same question.
OK, you want the X12 standard to be free. Who do you think should pay
for the continued maintenance and distribution costs?
I think X12 and DISA really do need to start looking more seriously at
the expense side of the
Almost as simple as buy low, sell high, thanks for the tip! ROTFLMAO
From: Michael Mattias/LS mcmlse...@talsystems.com
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You look a a chart
Ask ATT.
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Isn't it OK to set your
Mike
Cynical as usual, are we Earl? ;^) So, we're back to the same question.
Yes, always. Especially when it comes to 'non-profit' organizations.
OK, you want the X12 standard to be free. Who do you think should pay
for the continued maintenance and distribution costs?
The key players
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Doug
We have had this discussion before, free vs. fee. I don't want us to head
down that rabbit hole again.
You call it a rabbit hole. I would call it inevitable.
Bill's
Then why am I still updating maps for v 2001?
If it ain't broke don't fix it?
MCM
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Rachel
You are correct, DISA/X12 does not release financial information.
Membership information is available at any Steering Committee meeting and I
believe the chair mentions
should talk to Cathy about that.
Doug
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Agree with most of what you
are not open to membership
observation.
Rachel Foerster
847-872-8070
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Mike Rawlins wrote:
FWIW - DISA is responsible for the pricing of the ASC X12 standards, though
X12, Inc. owns the copyright.
Mike,
I am a bit confused, the DISA online store now redirects us to the X12.org
Store. It seems DISA is now out of the picture, at
DISA is still very much in the picture. Washington Publishing runs
store.x12.org under contract to DISA. DISA is still responsible for
setting the pricing for the X12 standards. DISA is still the
Secretariat to X12, and so far X12's incorporation as a distinct legal
entity has changed very
On Jun 30, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Mike Rawlins wrote:
DISA is still very much in the picture.
Mike, Thanks for the clarification.
Klaus
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Leah Halpin wrote:
I would join my esteemed colleague Klaus-Dieter in asking for an explanation
of this change in policy that provides any actual value for the annual fee.
Leah, personally I don't care what DISA (X12) uses as argument(s) for their
table data
Minor correction to Klaus' statements:
But for a moment, just to show how quickly this figure mushrooms, let's
assume it was retro-active for demonstration purpose. Most X12
commercial translator support the majority, if not all, of the X12
standards, for the 005xxx and 006xxx sets, applying
in
the marketplace.
Rachel Foerster
847-872-8070
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Leah Halpin
. This pricing model
easily defeats that argument.
Leah
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On Jun 30, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Mike Rawlins m...@rawlinsecconsulting.com wrote:
As far as I know most commercial translator vendors don't buy the equivalent
of the standards on CD. They buy the table data, which is priced at $15,000
for members and $7,500 for non-members. The 20% annual fee
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On Jun 30, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Mike Rawlins m...@rawlinsecconsulting.com
wrote:
As far as I know most commercial translator vendors don't buy
Then why am I still updating maps for v 2001? :D
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Well, X12
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Well, X12 has to find a sustainable business and revenue model, doesn't it
:-) especially with declining membership, consolidation and disbandment of
subcommittees, and declining sales of work products
If anyone wants a definitive description of the new annual fee
licensing terms for X12 products I suggest they contact DISA. Here's my
personal understanding: The annual fee is due if the purchaser continues
to use the purchased 006050 version of the standard, regardless of
whether or not the
forward, will mean 20% per version per year, which
will become less trivial as time rolls on.
Leah
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Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:12 PM
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6/28/13
I think that says, if after I purchase the single user version of the standard
for $800 and I use it after the first year, I will
owe an additional $160 a year for ever if I continue to use the CD.
Call me a country bumpkin, but seems to me this is a question you should ask
the
On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:45 AM, Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote:
No!
That should have been a Yes :-)
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On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lester wrote:
Klaus, so you think if I buy the CD and load the codes into my business
application, I am liable for the maintenance fee? Even if I never use the CD
again.
That's my reading of the terms, since your business application is a derivative
of
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