RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-28 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Arthur > > My position here has been that the importance of transmitting to students > an understanding of scientific understanding needs to be a among the most > fundamental goals of education. Wand

[Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-27 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- > From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > > From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I pick up my tetrahedron (black electrical tape on the edges, good > > contrast), and say "Measuring cup!" (I probably say more). Then I sco

Re: RE: RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread ajsiegel
- Original Message - From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The problem though, in my view, is that it is on fourms like > > edu-sig ( and debian edu list) that the exploration of these kinds > > of "polemics" are both most relevant and least welcome. > > > > Which says something

RE: RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread Kirby Urner
> The problem though, in my view, is that it is on fourms like > edu-sig ( and debian edu list) that the exploration of these kinds > of "polemics" are both most relevant and least welcome. > > Which says something in-and-of-itself. > Let's just put it this way: I'm a technologist immersed in

Re: RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread ajsiegel
- Original Message - From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:19 am Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.) > Arthur: > > The tragedy I see is that it is in fact the technologists - > specifically>

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread Kirby Urner
Arthur: > The tragedy I see is that it is in fact the technologists - specifically > those immersed in IT - who are emerging as the most formidable obstacle to > progress, as I would define it. More polemics it'd be interesting to use for new threads. But maybe not on edu-sig. More some other ti

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread Kirby Urner
> I suspect this exchange is more interesting to you and I than to others on > the list and that it would be most appropriate to table it to a face-to- > face at PyCon breaks - except that my schedule is conspiring against it, > it now looking that I won't be able to make it there. The best I can

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Engineering and a focus on artifacts > trumps > political efforts to block basic innovations in math teaching. There's > really no stopping us, politically speaking (because we really don't care > about politics that m

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-20 Thread Arthur
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > No major mind damage is going to be done by a different presentation. > > > > But I would like to disassociate the notion of geometry and the > regularity > > of forms as completely and as early as possible. And this is where I > seem > > to be

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-19 Thread Kirby Urner
> No major mind damage is going to be done by a different presentation. > > But I would like to disassociate the notion of geometry and the regularity > of forms as completely and as early as possible. And this is where I seem > to be most non-Fullerian. > > Art > Not claiming to follow, but y

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-19 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:07 AM > To: 'Arthur'; edu-sig@python.org > Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame > etc.) > Basically, once you'

RE: [Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-19 Thread Kirby Urner
> Might they also be interested that in Egypt, long-ago, in the shadow of > the Pyramids, folks not only understood this to be true, but were not > content with this knowledge. A way of thinking was developed that allowed > them to become satisfied that the truth of this observation "makes sens

[Edu-sig] RE: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-19 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I pick up my tetrahedron (black electrical tape on the edges, good > contrast), and say "Measuring cup!" (I probably say more). Then I scoop > up > a boat load of beans. Now it's full. In my other hand, Cube. How

[Edu-sig] Re: Concentric hierarchy / hypertoon (was pygame etc.)

2005-03-16 Thread Kirby Urner
Kirby: > But just the concentric hierarchy piece: you've got these few polyhedra, > they organize this way, and the relative volumes are like this. It's not > that big -- something we can share in K-12 no problem (and I do so). > So I walk into this classroom with a box of polyhedra. Stiff pap