Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-15 Thread Bill Frantz
The AUTOINF (Tech mode) switch can have the K3(S) automatically send frequency data on the RS-232 interface. The manual warns that turning this on may not be compatible with all PC software, but everything I run seems happy with it being on. With this on, you don't need to have a program

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-15 Thread Stephen Rector via Elecraft
I'm following up here with the verified solution to my issue. To recap - When I used a KXSER cable to connect my KXPA/KX3 to my Ciro Mazzoni Magloop antenna controller, that left no port available for me to control the KX3 with RS232 using the program FLRig. The best solution I found was to use

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-10 Thread Ken Winterling
Get an inexpensive RS-232 breakout box. The LEDs and jumpers will help you see what is happening on the data and control lines and enable you to make/verify any cable you need. Compact gender changers address the male/female connector issue as well as the 25 pin/9 pin conversion. I still have a

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-10 Thread George Danner
In broadcasting - we learned very quickly interfacing equipment with RS232, that if it worked once it would continue to work. Back in the beginning of using RS232 interfaces (cira. 70s) one of our the engineers made a box with input/output pigtails in both male and female with a rotary switch

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Walter Underwood
I never really understood RS-232 until I read “Technical Aspects of Data Communication” by John McNamara. Very clear. Not sure it is worth getting the book just for that, but you might check a library. https://smile.amazon.com/Technical-Aspects-Data-Communication-McNamara-ebook/dp/B01H5GQK78/

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bill, No, DCE is Data Communications Equipment and that means Modem which does connect to a phone line or other communications carrier medium. DTE means Data Terminal Equipment and connects to a modem. Those designations have been in place since 1960 or earlier. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/9/2018

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Bill Frantz
I think the correct acronym expansion of DTE is "Data Carrier Equipment". Remember, this whole area was designed by telephone companies who thought they would be a part of every connection. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/9/18 at 10:20 AM, k6...@foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote: The flaw is naming them

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Fred Jensen
The flaw is naming them "transmit" and "receive."  "DTE2DCE" and vice versa might have been a better choice so many years ago.  "Data Terminal" and "Data Communications" were probably equally poor naming choices, but it seemed so obvious then. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Bill Frantz
Back in the day, I worked for Tymshare, a time sharing company (AKA early cloud computing). We used Bell 103 protocol modems to provide full duplex connections for our users who were using ASCII terminals, both CRT and teleprinter. They could type at the same time the computer was sending

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Ronnie Hull
telephone line. >> >> As I remember it. >> >> Cheers, >> Fred KE7X >> >> >> >> >> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >> on behalf of Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 10:0

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Dave Fugleberg
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > on behalf of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 10:04 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are > occupied > > The computer is the DTE device, and

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-09 Thread Cady, Fred
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 10:04 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied The computer is the DTE device, and those devices designed to connect to the computer via the serial port are normally wired as DCE devices. The original

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
NDY DURBIN; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied Andy, No TXD is TXD all the way through the path. Yes, the DTE TXD will have the drivers, and the DCE will have receivers, but it is TXD from end to end. RXD is the other way arou

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Cady, Fred
PM To: ANDY DURBIN; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied Andy, No TXD is TXD all the way through the path. Yes, the DTE TXD will have the drivers, and the DCE will have receivers, but it is TXD from end to end. RXD is the other

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"No, TXD is TXD all the way through the path.  Yes, the DTE TXD will have the drivers, and the DCE will have receivers, but it is TXD from end to end.  RXD is the other way around because the DCE drives that line. Transmit and receive are named with respect to the DTE." That's great when one

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Andy, No TXD is TXD all the way through the path. Yes, the DTE TXD will have the drivers, and the DCE will have receivers, but it is TXD from end to end. RXD is the other way around because the DCE drives that line. Trsnsmit and receive are named with respect to the DTE. 73, Don W3FPR On

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"TXD is really pin 3." One end's TXD is the other end's RXD. That's obvious to those who have used RS-233 for a while but if someone needs to ask then it may not be obvious. Find the TXD pin on the source and connect it the RXD pin on the destination. Sometimes it's easier to look with a

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Sorry about the pin typo. Look at the cable link for the steppIR that Dick K6KR sent and that will be obvious. I was looking at that diagram when I typed my response, but did not proof it. TXD is really pin 3. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/8/2018 7:24 PM, Stephen Rector wrote: Don: I tried a 3.5mm

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Stephen Rector via Elecraft
Don: I tried a 3.5mm Y-connector at the KXPA and this did not work. But based on your feedback and also that of N6TV, I see that I have multiple TX drivers on the TXD line. Even if there is no TX from the antenna controller, the low-impedance of its TXD driver will load the line. Bob also

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
nt/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On >> Behalf Of Stephen Rector via Elecraft >> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 12:31 >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net &g

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve, Yes, since you are using both the KXUSB and the KXSER cables, a "Y" at the KXPA100 would serve you well. If your magloop controller also attempts to transmit, you can remove the connection to pin 2 on the DE9 end of the KXSER cable (just remove the backshell and disconnect the wire).

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Stephen Rector via Elecraft
y 8, 2018 12:31 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied > > Hy home station is a KX3 + KPXA100, and I can control the radio via the > RS232 port on the KXPA. However, recently I added a Ciro Mazzoni magl

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Stephen Rector via Elecraft
Hi Don: Yes - it occurred to me after sending the post that I might be able to create the split at the KXPA with a stereo Y-cable/connector. I am using a KXUSB to the computer, with a KXSER cable going from the the antenna controller to the KXPA. It is the KXUSB that presently has no place to

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread dick
an.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied Hy home station is a KX3 + KPXA100, and I can control the radio via the RS232 port on the KXPA. However, recently I added a Ciro Mazzoni magloop to the station, and its controller plugs in to the KXPA serial por

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve, Are you using the KXUSB to connect with the KXPA100/KX3, or are you using the KXSER with a real computer serial port or a USB to serial adapter? Since your magloop controller only 'sniffs', it means it should only listen and never try to transmit on the RS-232 signal lines. If it

[Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"My first thought is that, since the antenna controller just sniffs for data, I could add a DB-9 Y-cable to provide the extra port at the controller serial port location. However, packets could still collide ...does the protocol handle this? Is there some sort of multiplexer available?" If

[Elecraft] [KX3] RS232 xcvr control when serial ports are occupied

2018-07-08 Thread Stephen Rector via Elecraft
Hy home station is a KX3 + KPXA100, and I can control the radio via the RS232 port on the KXPA. However, recently I added a Ciro Mazzoni magloop to the station, and its controller plugs in to the KXPA serial port to sniff for frequency information, allowing re-tuning on the fly. This leaves no