Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
IMHO you are correct. As I understand it R and S were intended to report on how well a signal was being received with T being an honest report of 'tone' in the case of CW signals. I believe that the matter of signal reports began to become 'confused' sometime before I first got on the air in

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
IMHO you are correct. As I understand it R and S were intended to report on how well a signal was being received with T being an honest report of 'tone' in the case of CW signals. I believe that the matter of signal reports began to become 'confused' sometime before I first got on the air in 1946

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... each S unit should represent a 6db change in signal level from S9 downwards. This 'standard' had been used certainly in Regions 1 and 2 as far as I know by or before 1946, but most people gave reports based on how well a

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW the external plug-in Eddystone S-meter (Cat.669/E)for the 640 has printed on the scale 1 DIVISION = 4db, OTOH the internal S-meter on my 680X says 1R = 6db. Interesting, the 640 manual I

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 6/7/07 7:22:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Communications using Morse code by keyed continuous waves in contrast to communications using Morse code by keyed damped waves, which was the type of signal emitted by those old spark and arc

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Jack Smith
Jim: Correct -- arc transmitters operated on the negative resistance principle, as a portion of the E vs I curve for an arc has an area of negative resistance. As such, the arc worked as an amplifier or oscillator, thus yielding a continuous wave. (Same concept as a tunnel diode, as a

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Mike Morrow
Jim wrote: ...it is my understanding that arc transmitters (like the Poulsen arc) generated continuous (undamped) waves. Right you are. My mistake. I don't have any transmitters of that era in my collection, though I do have the remanants of a 100-year-old coherer receiver, and a complete

[Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-07 Thread Kevin Rock
Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people? I thought RST was to be honest reportage. Kevin. KD5ONS -Original Message- From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 7, 2007 2:39 PM To: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-07 Thread Thom LaCosta
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Kevin Rock wrote: Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people? I thought RST was to be honest reportage. Well, all we need do is observe signal reports in contests and the quaint notion of RST being an honest report is nullified. I rememeber years

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-07 Thread Fred Jensen
Kevin Rock wrote: Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people? I thought RST was to be honest reportage. Kevin. KD5ONS It's context dependent, Kevin. If it's a DXpedition or a contest, everyone is 5NN. If it's a QRP contest or QSO, everyone is 56N. If you get a

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-07 Thread Mike Morrow
We call it CW and mean communications using the International Morse Code when CW means continuous waves. Communications using Morse code by keyed continuous waves in contrast to communications using Morse code by keyed damped waves, which was the type of signal emitted by those old spark and

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-07 Thread Ian Stirling
On Thursday 07 June 2007 17:44:31 Kevin Rock wrote: Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people? I don't and never have done in my 28 years as a Radio Amateur. My K2's bar meter is switched off. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- ___

Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-07 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Jun 7, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people? I thought RST was to be honest reportage. Only when the meter needle is stuck on 9. :^) Maybe we should use meters calibrated for power density or field strength, taking into