[Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Ron Midwin
I recently bought an LDG AT600 Pro Automatic Tuner. I seem to be able to get a low VSWR on 80 40 meters, but on 20, 15, 10 meters the best it will do is ~ 1.8:1. My G5RV (It's really a Van Gordon 80 meter all bander fed with 450 ladder line, 33 feet long, and then transitions to coax thru a

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread hawley, charles j jr
] on behalf of Ron Midwin [ronmidwin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:42 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna I recently bought an LDG AT600 Pro Automatic Tuner. I seem to be able to get a low

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Rick Stealey
Why not just help the tuner out a little? Put some inductance in series with the center conductor and see if it likes that better. If that doesn't work put some C in series and adjust it. Or some C across the line. Or some L across the line. Or some L in series and C across the line. You

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread David Bunte
Ron - This is not an area where I have much experience, but with 450 ohm ladder line I would have thought you would use something other than a 1:1 balun. A few years ago I experimented briefly with an 80 meter dipole, fed with 450 ohm ladder line. I tried it with a 1:1 balun and with a 4:1

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Barry LaZar
Ron, The antenna you have is basically a good one. The problem you get into is that it's really an 80 meter dipole being used on all bands. This has been a popular configuration for many years. The issue is NOT SWR. The issue is transmission line loss in a high SWR situation. To avoid

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread N5GE
All, There's a trick I learned from an antenna engineer acquaintance recently for tuning 450 ohm feedline's with a 1:1 balun with 50 ohm coax feeding the TX. Here it is: 1. Assemble three RG11 coax lengths. One coax 6 feet 7 inches long, one coax 6 feet long and one coax 9 feet long. From

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Stephens
What is the significance of using RG11 75 ohm coax vs 50 ohm? Sorry if this is a dumb question. Bob AF9W On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:39 AM, N5GE wrote: All, There's a trick I learned from an antenna engineer acquaintance recently for tuning 450 ohm feedline's with a 1:1 balun with 50 ohm

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread W Paul Mills
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Impedance matching. See http://www.fourier-series.com/rf-concepts/smithchart.html May be more than you wanted to know, but is easy to follow Smith Chart Tutorials. And does explain why you might want to do this. On 10/26/2012 01:23 PM, Bob Stephens

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Jim Wiley
All other things being equal, 75-ohm cable has less loss per foot than 50-ohm cable. This assumes that the cables being compared have the same diameter, length, operating frequency, etc. This is the primary reason that cable TV systems, telco inside-plant cabling, and other similar

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Jim Wiley
Sorry, meant to say 75-ohm, not 70-ohm in my previous post. - Jim, KL7CC On 10/26/2012 10:23 AM, Bob Stephens wrote: What is the significance of using RG11 75 ohm coax vs 50 ohm? Sorry if this is a dumb question. Bob AF9W On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:39 AM, N5GE wrote: All, There's a

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Barry LaZar
The significance of the 75 Ohm line is a matching section that introduces a reciprocal impedance that brings the SWR to 1:1, or nearly so. However, this approach does not address the balanced to unbalanced issue. And, this is generally a one band match. A 1:1 choke type balun will still be

Re: [Elecraft] LDG antenna tuner with 132 foot balanced dipole similar to a G5RV antenna

2012-10-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
David, I have seen several responses that suggest changes to your antenna setup, but not one that I can warm up to. The choice of a 1:1 balun vs. a 4:1 balun depends on the feedpoint impedance and has nothing to do with the fact that the characteristic impedance of the ladder line is 450 ohms