Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/15/2021 03:30 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Which EMC Corp sent the letter demanding the group stopped using EMC2? There are at least three now. https://www.dellemc.com/ A wing of Dell I think it is this one, I had no idea Dell bought them. I have no idea if Dell is as rabid at

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Feral Engineer
The Dell one before they got bought out by Dell from what I understand. Should just call it bloody freaking awesome CNC, cuz that's really what it is. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Thu, Apr

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Regarding running from Windows - OpenCN began supporting only Venturecom's Windows realtime system for OpenCNC's version 3.0. They dropped QNX usage at that time. I only used their version running on QNX. I had purchased their API so I could add functionality. I was on Version 2.1. Version 3.0 was

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Bari, A person working with the controls and software is usually easy to convince of the power of Linux. The guy with the funding sitting behind the Windows computer running the management software probably doesn't realize the management software server is running Linux. The golden rule is as

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Bari, My focus is to modify an already generated tool path. I have watched (with interest) the StepNC project. It seems to me if the part is designed with StepNC in mind the result from StepNC is more usable. Unfortunately, a lot of parts cannot meet the criteria of StepNC favorable. Since

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Bari
I wouldn't worry about someone thinking that Linux means something 2nd or 3rd rate. Hell I'd run screaming from anything that says Wind0ws and CNC or real time. This is just someone with funding that doesn't know much about operating systems or how to really judge CNC controllers. I work with

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Which EMC Corp sent the letter demanding the group stopped using EMC2? There are at least three now. https://www.emcins.com/ EMC Insurance selling insurance products https://utility.org A utility services corporation https://www.dellemc.com/ A wing of Dell I don't see how they could complain

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/15/2021 12:36 PM, John Thornton wrote: Well it could be shortened to NEMC Nope, the dastardly EMC2 corporation would be all over us if we did that. That's why we had to change the name about a decade ago. Jon ___ Emc-developers mailing

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Bari
Stuart, One of the methods for generating tool paths is described by this paper and expired patent: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/29225/50140264-MIT.pdf https://patents.google.com/patent/US6311100B1/en Since I plan to use a physics engine to avoid collisions while

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread John Thornton
Well it could be shortened to NEMC JT On 4/15/2021 12:08 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: now there is a mouthful On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:43 AM John Thornton wrote: I think the project should be named NIST Enhanced Machine Controller Second Generation JT On 4/15/2021 10:24 AM, Stuart

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Pedro Grijalva
Or Maybe NXG next generation Get Outlook para Android From: Stuart Stevenson Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:08:24 AM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation now there is a mouthful On Thu, Apr

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Have the developed their own real time kernel? On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Feral Engineer wrote: > Here's another tidbit for ya - Siemens and Heidenhain controls run on top > of a Linux kernel. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
now there is a mouthful On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:43 AM John Thornton wrote: > I think the project should be named > > NIST Enhanced Machine Controller Second Generation > > JT > > On 4/15/2021 10:24 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > Feral, > > I love it! > > > > Just think how LinuxCNC would

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread John Thornton
I think the project should be named NIST Enhanced Machine Controller Second Generation JT On 4/15/2021 10:24 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Feral, I love it! Just think how LinuxCNC would be accepted if Android was called LinuxAndroid! Or we had LinuxWeb as the main term for the internet. How

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Feral Engineer
Here's another tidbit for ya - Siemens and Heidenhain controls run on top of a Linux kernel. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 11:25 AM Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Feral, > I

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Feral, I love it! Just think how LinuxCNC would be accepted if Android was called LinuxAndroid! Or we had LinuxWeb as the main term for the internet. How many people have heard of QNX? Not many. My first retrofit was installing OpenCNC on a 5 axis Cinci. QNX was the underlying realtime system. I

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I am not arguing for that result just making a comment on observed behavior. If the project had another name and the same amount of exposure he would have explored it. He didn't explore it because if Linux is part of it - it cannot be worthy of even a look. I would hate to see Linux removed from

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Feral Engineer
Call it LegitCNC to really get the point across. If anyone ever questions Linux, tell them to get off the internet and put down their Android phones. That's what gets me about masso. It's touted as this great plug and play system and doesn't even support g41/g42... It's crap if you ask me. Phil

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:23, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > The shop owner's hesitancy was caused by the name LinuxCNC. The use of the > term Linux gave him the idea of a less than capable control. We used to have "Enhanced" in that position. Perhaps we should have kept it. -- atp "A motorcycle

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
My comments are interspersed in the body. On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 6:03 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 05:49, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > My current attention to the project is driven by my desire to have 5 > axis > > cutter diameter compensation in LinuxCNC. > > I think that

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
3D cutter comp is a totally different animal. Tool Point Control is a better term for what I am proposing. Stuart On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 7:18 AM Feral Engineer wrote: > As a follow to Andy's comment, I've been on 5 axis mills for 17 years and > honestly have never once used 3d cutter comp.

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Feral Engineer
As a follow to Andy's comment, I've been on 5 axis mills for 17 years and honestly have never once used 3d cutter comp. It has a place, but it's a very small place. Only one customer has ever asked about it. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Bari, The 5 axis tool path for the machine I describe is point to point motion. CAM generates XYZAB and a feedrate (G93) for every line of motion. 5 axis CDC uses the A and B command to create a target vector. In essence I use the AB values to recreate the tool axis vector the CAM system used to

Re: [Emc-developers] 5 axis cutter compensation

2021-04-15 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 05:49, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > My current attention to the project is driven by my desire to have 5 axis > cutter diameter compensation in LinuxCNC. I think that there is an argument that this is better done in the CAM as it has a much better idea where the material