Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
I don't think there is one. A search on the IEC web site shows IEC 61204-7:2016, which is not about inverters but might be sufficiently applicable. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent.

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-01 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Ralph, It's been nine years since I worked for APC, now another Schneider Electric company. Back then, APC had some inverters that plugged into the lighter/power socket of cars and they were tested to EN 60950-1 for Europe. You might look at IEC 62040 series standards for additional

Re: [PSES] CISPR 16 Compliant EMI Receivers up to 40 GHz

2017-02-01 Thread Balmukund Vyas
I believe that we can use keysight receiver with other softwares also. We use keysight receiver with TDK software. However, I am not sure if EMC32 supports Keysight receiver or not -Original Message- From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: 01

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-01 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Dear group, I am looking for suggestions on best-fit product safety standard for LVD for a 230V inverter intended for vehicular use only. (buses & small trucks) Test lab suggests EN60950, which I dismissed. EN50178 and EN60335-1 don’t appear to be suitable. I’m really looking for an IEC

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
J (well, sort of!) From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 February 2017 22:17 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? You are correct, I recall in 1995 when the VP of Engineering at my company back then obtained a copy of a few

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread Doug Powell
You are correct, I recall in 1995 when the VP of Engineering at my company back then obtained a copy of a few safety standards and attempted to outline and distill requirements for our products. He felt he could make quick work of it but was soon overwhelmed. As it turns out this was the

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
Apologies, but as should have been obvious, there was a typo in my last post, and so part of the 2nd para should have read “…but have never even heard of the TRF documents, or, if they have, cannot get their management to pay for the cost of downloading, and then the time involved

[PSES] Forget Autonomous Cars—Autonomous Ships Are Almost Here

2017-02-01 Thread Doug Powell
This is a continuation of thread on self-driving cars a few weeks ago. Now heavy cargo ships? IEEE Spectrum posted this a couple days ago. Can't wait to see how this turns out. http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/marine/forget-autonomous-cars-autonomous-ships-are-almost-here Pretty soon

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
Doug I don’t doubt that when you become very familiar with the IEC TRF approach, and what you need to do to make correct use of them, you can become very comfortable with it, but do think back to when you first encountered it as that will, probably, put you in the same position as many

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
Following on what I said earlier, the most disadvantaged parts of the industry are the SMEs where the relevant experience, assessment facilities, finance, and, most critically, management understanding, of the problems involved are all very limited - and so they sometimes attempt the DIY approach,

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread Doug Powell
​​ John, Interesting that I am in the USA and having cut my compliance teeth on the IECEE TRF format, I actually prefer it to other file formats such as those used by UL and others where there is a strong reliance on vbScript to ensure a report is fully carried out. Of course the idea that a

Re: [PSES] EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical Vibrator?

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
No clocks, but what I understand is a triac for speed control. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Dave NyffeneggerTo: Mike at Home, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: February 1, 2017 at 1:56 PMSubject: RE: EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
Good, but you need the slogan, so people remember. 'Compliance 101' is neutral and boring. It could be DESIGN IT IN! but maybe someone can produce a better one. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Allen
This is what the Compliance 101 Track is all about!! Learn more about it and/or how to help at IEEE PSES Symposium - http://2017.psessymposium.org/ IEEE is also reaching out to corporations worldwide. Any support and/or promotion we can get would be great. As Acting President of IEEE's PSES,

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, this is DESIGN IT IN!, and I think everyone here thinks it's the right way to go. But we need to spread the word to CEOs and line managers because, like everything else, it needs setting up, as JA explains below. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

Re: [PSES] EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical Vibrator?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
Apart from stuff above 9 kHz (emissions and immunity), 61000-3-2 and -3 apply. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Nyffenegger, Dave

Re: [PSES] EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical Vibrator?

2017-02-01 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Is EMC even applicable? Are there high frequency clocks in it? -Dave From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Allen
I think (from bitter experience over many years!) that one of the biggest problems that the “do it yourself” safety compliance report company encounters is that most people who do that first then try to use the IEC Test Report Forms (TRF), but find that the format and content of those, and what

Re: [PSES] EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical Vibrator?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
EN 55014-1 and -2 apply. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent:

[PSES] EMC Harmonized Standard for Construction Electrical Vibrator?

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
I'm trying to determine the correct EN EMC standards for an electrical vibrator used in construction. 230V cord and plug connected, portable. I'm thinking generic light industrial, EN 61000-6-1 + EN 61000-3. Any thoughts from this august group on more specific, or different, standards?

Re: [PSES] add 60950 to a new supplier's product which only has FCC?

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Dixon
Jim, Rich and all who replied, Thanks for the feedback. There is no intentional transmitter. I don't believe it's a case of wanting to hide Company A -- it appears to be a case of economics and differing views of safety & liability,which has surprised me a bit. Cheers, Adam On Tue, Jan 31,

[PSES] Wi-Fi (WLAN) router approvals with psu

2017-02-01 Thread McBurney, Ian
Dear colleagues. We are looking at purchasing a WLAN (Wi-Fi) router from China and include our own wall wart power supply with it. The router comes with all the necessary approvals and safety reports tested with its own wall wart psu. However; are these documents still valid it we swap the PSU

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread Dan Roman
No need to limit yourself to 60950 either. Specifically for battery operated equipment, you can use a standard like 60335 that has requirements for battery operated appliances. From the Annex use the testing and construction and user instructions from that standard. --Dan RomanIEEE Senior

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I agree with John, batteries are the most critical part. Make sure they are properly approved, and use a fuse in their leads. As it's an RF product, I suppose the LVD comes into play by means of the RTTE (RED) directive. So a full qualification is needed. Many aspects do not apply, but the

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
If it's battery-powered, the LVD may not apply, so in turn there is no need to apply 60950. But I would advise applying it as far as possible. We don't want more battery fires, so that is one point to look at carefully; can the battery be short-circuited by a fault and if so, what happens? It's