Re: [PSES] EMC Compliance for various countries

2016-07-02 Thread Rodney Davis
It would depend on the type / category of the equipment. Australia and New Zealand will likely require in country representation and listing on the national database but the first question is it radio, telecom,ITE?? On Friday, July 1, 2016, Ravinder Ajmani wrote: > Hi

Re: [PSES] Multiple Listee for CE

2016-05-26 Thread Rodney Davis
If you have a review of the bluebook it is clear that Manufacturer B is now the "MANUFACTURER" and must meet the obligations associated with being the manufacturer. I agree with Charlie, to limit your liabilities... reports etc and perhaps even a quick verification test may be in order.,

Re: [PSES] EN 55035 / CISPR 35

2016-05-26 Thread Rodney Davis
test On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Schaefer, David wrote: > There’s a separate question on CISPR 35 I would like answered – are they > going to use pulse modulation for the spot frequencies? As Rob mentioned, > the requirement could be up to 30 V/m. If you’re intended

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2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis
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Re: [PSES] change address

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis
Can someone explain how I can change the email address in my account? Rodney Davis NOTE: This e-mail (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by legal

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis
2004/108/EU ?? It is April 22 , don't you mean 2014/30/EU :-) To be clear though it is not what it is marked but rather marked correctly ! If you have a PC sold from the local store marked Class A, you are at fault. Rodney Davis From: ce-test, qualified

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis
.. Rodney Davis From: Amund Westin <am...@westin-emission.no> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment If a manufacturer label the product as «Class A», t

Re: [PSES] IEC60950-1, Table 2N - creepage

2016-04-20 Thread Rodney Davis
Conformal coating is acceptable for safety compliance while solder resist is not Rodney Davis From: Joe Randolph <j...@randolph-telecom.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 8:10 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC60950-1, Table 2N - cr

Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] Commom mode current vs. differential mode current and LISN

2016-04-14 Thread Rodney Davis
Now we know why safety standards do not presume correct polarity as a compliance mechanism. In fact assume it is backwards... Rodney Davis Regulatory Compliance Engineering Phone: DID 613-691-3468 350 Legget Drive Kanata, On,K2K 2W7, Canada From: Ted Eckert

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread Rodney Davis
wow! verb: misuse; 3rd person present: misuses; past tense: misused; past participle: misused; gerund or present participle: misusing /misˈyo͞oz/ 1. use (something) in the wrong way or for the wrong purpose. i.e. using a PSU intended to power equipment indoors and in fact using it to power

Re: [PSES] Desktop Power Supplies

2016-04-06 Thread Rodney Davis
. The marking requirements of the PSU is really dependent on how it is marketed and placed on the market Comments suggestion welcomed. Rodney Davis From: Mark Bailey <mbai...@crfs.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG S

Re: [PSES] "Job opening for a Regulatory Compliance Engineer in Kanata, Ontario

2016-04-05 Thread Rodney Davis
Mitel Networks is looking for a Senior Regulatory Compliance Engineer. Details can be found on-line at www.Mitel.com Make Communicating Seamless | Mitel - United States www.mitel.com Companies across the globe rely on Mitel to power 2 billion

Re: [PSES] Insulation testing

2016-03-03 Thread Rodney Davis
Yes in Canada and USA the line current is deemed to be 20 amps therefore 2 times = 40 Amps. in the old days the branch was considered 15A. This changed (really guessing here so please no arguments) 8 years ago. Rodney Davis - Canada From: Brian

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Rodney Davis
And HDMI is not any better. The narrow minded committees which come up with interface standards MUST also look at the physical level and require some sort of mechanical/electrical specification for cables to support the interfaces they define. Without a good cable the interface whether it be

Re: [PSES] Colour of affixed CE Mark?

2016-03-01 Thread Rodney Davis
size , dimensions and proportionality are all that I have ever read. I have never come across colour requirements, I suggest go with yellow! Will be interesting if any one has a reference? Rodney Davis From: STEVENSON Philip <philip.ste

Re: [PSES] Reliable means to attach thermocouple to object

2016-02-26 Thread Rodney Davis
Remember the question. the tape I am using doesn't work at 120 degrees. Now we have specific IECEE specifications on thermal couple terminals in accordance to NRTL standards controlling temperatures on specific component bodies. all this.. and just maybe someone is measuring the end of

Re: [PSES] Reliable means to attach thermocouple to object

2016-02-26 Thread Rodney Davis
I have never heard of taping a thermocouple. may i suggest simple Loctite and eccelerator for quick application, a dip of thermal transfer paste would also be good for good concise measurements. Rodney Davis From: Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com>

Re: [PSES] Insulation testing

2016-02-25 Thread Rodney Davis
Are you testing just line/neutral. To ground? From: Harrington, John Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply To: Harrington, John Subject: [PSES] Insulation testing Gentlemen, How do you demonstrate the dielectric strength between mains and user

Re: [PSES] Bluetooth audio product

2016-02-09 Thread Rodney Davis
And what about Industry Canada, may as well get IC as it is fully harmonized, just another couple bucks for filing purposes and you can expand your market region... Rodney Davis From: Paasche, Dieter <dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com> Sent: T

Re: [PSES] Highest clock frequency in a device.

2016-01-29 Thread Rodney Davis
Highest clock! not data rate. Rodney Davis From: Robert Dunkerley <robert.dunker...@s-a-m.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:56 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Highest clock frequency in a device. How would you treat a

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] AU CISPR 22 Class B Interpretation

2016-01-29 Thread Rodney Davis
... not a black and white answer Rodney Davis From: Carl Newton <emcl...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 2:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] AU CISPR 22 Class B Interpretation Brian, I disagree that th

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Rodney Davis
Gert and an FYI the LVD is not the only safety related directive. 72 volt DC does not exempt you from all and any safety requirements as there are other catch all Directives like GPS Directive... Rodney Davis From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Rodney Davis
The answer would be either LVD or GPS Directives as being applicable..Safety and EMC is what I would expect in a quote. Rodney Davis Regulatory Compliance Engineering Phone: DID 613-691-3468 350 Legget Drive Kanata, On,K2K 2W7, Canada From: Charlie

Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC complia nce?

2016-01-15 Thread Rodney Davis
Yes, we are not the only discipline concerned with Compliance. select delete. Rodney Davis From: Scott Aldous <0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re:

Re: [PSES] Internal connection labels in 220VAC systems

2015-12-15 Thread Rodney Davis
Being familiar with 60950-1 I can tell you there are no Canadian/USA deviations on markings. I would definitely request the NRTL to provide the clauses reference in the standard and to share their Design manual which should help to resolve the issue. Rodney Davis

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-10 Thread Rodney Davis
of the base standard. So as long as someone does not build a dwelling at center field I agree the stadium would be considered Class A commercial environment... Notwithstanding customers requirement which always over rules any law Rodney Davis From: Ghery

Re: [PSES] Conducted RF injected on Ethernet cable ... fails

2015-12-10 Thread Rodney Davis
I caution you about using beads or chokes on Ethernet. Great risk of killing the eye at 100m thereby reducing the distance significantly. You may want to complete some functional tests before wasting your time at an EMI lab. Rodney Davis From: Douglas Smith

Re: [PSES] Conducted RF injected on Ethernet cable ... fails

2015-12-10 Thread Rodney Davis
are they terminated (line and load side)? * is bob-smith termination used and what is the ground reference? I have yet in my career actually witnessed any drop of packets or link due to immunity. I do Note you are testing 10V/m? Is this for an industrial application? Rodney Davis

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-10 Thread Rodney Davis
By the way I would assume both the ‎Stadium and Theatre as Commercial environments From: Rodney Davis Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:42 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply To: Rodney Davis Subject: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment Ian, pretty simple situation

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-10 Thread Rodney Davis
is will this equipment find it's way in the home The definition is really a marketing decision. If you Market the product in catalogs and magazines to entice people to purchase and use the product in the home then Class B. Rodney Davis From: McBurney, Ian

Re: [PSES] Chinese lab

2015-12-09 Thread Rodney Davis
If you are taking on the role of distributor or importer and you have concerns, request full reports rather than just the CoC...if you suspect the lab or have never heard of them... From: Amund Westin Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-08 Thread Rodney Davis
I suggest you check the Equipment documentation section of the standard for the reference to the notice. Also the 10 m separation distance is still referenced therefore there are no changes in CISPR32 over 22 for these 2 aspects. Rodney Davis From: McBurney

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-08 Thread Rodney Davis
Clause 5 Classification of equipment - Continues to define the residential environment based on the expected 10m separation distance to radios and equipment. There are no changes in 35... Rodney Davis Regulatory Compliance Engineering Phone: DID 613-691-3468 350 Legget Drive Kanata, On,K2K 2W7

Re: [PSES] One DoCs vs multiple DoCs

2015-11-06 Thread Rodney Davis
Perhaps the auditor is the one with the simple mind :-) Original Message From: Brian O'Connell Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply To: Brian O'Connell Subject: Re: [PSES] One DoCs vs multiple DoCs Makes little sense to this simple mind. The

Re: [PSES] One DoCs vs multiple DoCs

2015-11-05 Thread Rodney Davis
the upswing) this approach is also acceptable. There in no documented restriction on the approach taken. Rodney Davis From: Kunde, Brian <brian_ku...@lecotc.com> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:51 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] On

Re: [PSES] One DoCs vs multiple DoCs

2015-11-05 Thread Rodney Davis
it is simpler to issue 1 Declaration referencing all Applicable Directives (easier to see the upswing) this approach is also acceptable. There is no documented restriction on the approach to be taken. Rodney Davis From: Kunde, Brian <brian_ku...@lecotc.

Re: [PSES] Updating EU ErP reports for Level VI adapters?

2015-11-03 Thread Rodney Davis
I would say that the limits are being exceeded, hence a manufactures technical letter of explanation in support of your DoC is sufficient ! No test required. Test data must be available though to support your technical judgement? Rodney Davis From: Dave Heald

Re: [PSES] Acceptance of CB EMC Test Reports and Certificates

2015-11-03 Thread Rodney Davis
To not be misleading . FCC accepts CISPR22 for emissions below 1 Gig only. Above 1Gig you must claim compliance to FCC limits, Continue reading through the sub-points in section 15.109 (g) Rodney Davis Regulatory Compliance Engineering Phone: DID 613-691-3468 350 Legget Drive Kanata, On,K2K

Re: [PSES] FCC Labelling

2015-10-27 Thread Rodney Davis
I would also like to confirm and agree with Ian. He is absolutely right. I see many instances where verified equipment has the FCC symbol incorrectly used on products clearly not under the SDoC scheme. This is in my view the most incorrectly used Regulatory symbol used today ! Rodney Davis

Re: [PSES] USA Level VI energy efficiency regulations

2015-10-21 Thread Rodney Davis
is clearly the main consideration. Clearly to answer the specific question " intended for professional use only". the answer is NO Rodney Davis From: McBurney, Ian <ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:20

Re: [PSES] Korea Approval Product Search

2015-10-16 Thread Rodney Davis
try https://fccid.io/KCC.php From: Sam Yogasuntharam Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Korea Approval Product Search Hi, I can go to UL website "Online Certificaten Directory"

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Stricter limits than legal (CISPR11, IEC, etc,) Where?

2015-10-13 Thread Rodney Davis
and not best case for the sake of passing. re-test ALL non EMC benign product changes.( ITE TTE industry) Rodney Davis From: gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com <058ee1229c70-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:02 PM To: EM

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-15 Thread Rodney Davis
How many big companies survive if their only market is USA. Pretty safe to say almost all major players have a European, and other regions of export and hence though not specifically requiring 55024 most product sold I think would be safe to say meet immunity. Too expensive to have a fully

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-14 Thread Rodney Davis
! Rodney Davis From: Ed Price <edpr...@cox.net> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:09 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question Dennis: The rationale that you don’t need consumer electronics with a m

Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for Korea

2015-08-20 Thread Rodney Davis
Also of note regrading Korea, they are very particular and demand 10m measurements and must be tested at the national power grid values of 220V 60Hz. This makes most FCC and or CE test reports of no value Rodney Davis Regulatory Compliance Engineering Phone: DID 613-691-3468 350 Legget Drive