: maandag 7 augustus 2017 20:54
Aan: 'Gert Gremmen'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: RE: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I don’t think that is helpful. Agreed that the ‘Whereas’ are not legalistically
part of the Directive, that doesn’t mean that they can be disregarded. They
embody the reasoning
manent.
From: Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:21
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
The numbered Whereas clauses are NOT part of the directive.
The actual text of the directive starts after the stipulation
HAVE ADOPTED THIS DIR
of it, including clause 7.
.
Gert Gremmen
Van: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 4 augustus 2017 13:00
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
You have my sympathy regarding the problems with language, worth 0.001 Euro
ct: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
John,
If I knew that I would start my discussion not from 1.4 and 3.1(a) but from
(7), 1.4 and 3.1(a) what gives more relations to consider :)
I am reading directives since 2004 when we joined EU. Till now I always assumed
that everything before Art
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Piotr,
Isn’t it wonderful when lawyers write documents which technical
engineers are supposed to use to meet the legal requirements.
Synonyms from my English dictionary for whereas are: while, but ,
where , however
odgate and
Associates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 03 August 2017 16:28
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I think I don't feel 'Whereas' precisely.
In Polish directives it was re
Pete,
If I were lawyer I would call it wonderful, but I am on opposite side :)
Piotr
W dniu 2017-08-03 o 20:26, Pete Perkins pisze:
Piotr,
Isn’t it wonderful when lawyers write documents which technical
engineers are supposed to use to meet the legal requirements.
Synonyms from my
, 2017 11:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Piotr,
Isn’t it wonderful when lawyers write documents which technical
engineers are supposed to use to meet the legal requirements.
Synonyms from my English dictionary for whereas
otr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 03 August 2017 16:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I think I don't feel 'Whereas' precisely.
In Polish directives it was replaced with 7 words: "but also hawing in
attention, what follows:"
I feel it as "we have it i
[mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:28 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I think I don't feel 'Whereas' precisely.
In Polish directives it was replaced with 7 words: "but also hawing in
attention, what follows:"
I feel it
.@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 03 August 2017 14:22
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
John,
The full text you can find in my first mail - still present at the end:
*/[JMW] Ah, well, I didn’t know to look there./*
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the sco
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 03 August 2017 12:57
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
My doubt comes not from less/more specific directive.
I don't consider LVD just from its scope.
But reading RED (devices shall not
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Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
John,
The full text you can find in my first mail - still present at the end:
[JMW] Ah, well, I didn’t know to look there.
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as s
tp://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> J M Woodgate and
Associates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 03 August 2017 12:57
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
My doubt comes not from less/more s
ternum manent.
*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 02 August 2017 19:39
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it
is _only_
39 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it
is _only_ guide.
With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R) devices are
clearly excl
Oh yeah, sorry. Not so good then. :-)
-Original Message-
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 02 August 2017 19:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Michael,
Thanks, but that means my understanding was not correct
specific
to the product prevails.
-Dave
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 2:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD
19:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it is _only_
guide.
With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R) devices are clearly
excluded from EMCD
*To: *"EMC-PSTC" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:58:54 AM
*Subject: *[PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subj
--Original Message-
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 02 August 2017 14:59
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within
: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Piotr,
You would not have a situation where the RED and the LVD both apply to a
product.
Product safety for radio devices (transmitter, receiver, transceiver) is
covered by Article 3.1a of the RED. So, you assess safety "in a similar way
as the LVD",
To: "EMC-PSTC" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:58:54 AM
Subject: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subj
ect: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be
subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1)
of this Directive.
3,1. Radio
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of
Article 3(1) of this Directive.
3,1. Radio equipment shall be
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