Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 09:58, John Dammeyer wrote: > How does one tell the spindle to do one revolution at 0.5 rps and stop either > after one rev or when a sensor input is detected? Given that I'm running the > MESA board in step/dir mode. Presumably it is running in velocity mode? Use a

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-24 Thread Gene Heskett
n. Rough outline, I've probably forgotten something. > Thanks > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > Sent: November-23-21 7:44 PM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spind

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-24 Thread John Dammeyer
eskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: November-23-21 7:44 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > On Tuesday 23 November 2021 21:33:21 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Still wondering how I might make the spi

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 November 2021 21:33:21 John Dammeyer wrote: > Still wondering how I might make the spindle turn slowly and then stop > on a sensor signal. From the HAL file it's set up the same way as the > XYZA axis with respect to step_type and control-type. > > I'd want to set the velocity to

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
Still wondering how I might make the spindle turn slowly and then stop on a sensor signal. From the HAL file it's set up the same way as the XYZA axis with respect to step_type and control-type. I'd want to set the velocity to say 30 RPM (0.5 RPS) and during a revolution if it detects an

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
Not this one. > -Original Message- > From: Thaddeus Waldner [mailto:thadw...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-23-21 12:01 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > Some of those hammers have a thru-hole for pinning the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
1 4:04 AM >> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. >> >> On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:59 andy pugh wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer >> wrote: >>>> Likely why the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 November 2021 14:14:23 John Dammeyer wrote: > I've ordered a retaining ring set for it. May help. The socket has a > recess for this ring to expand into but at the moment it almost falls > out by itself. The wrench is 10 years old and although not used > during that period the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
mentioned. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: November-23-21 4:04 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:59 andy pugh wrote: > >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:59 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. > > I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente > to retain the socket. I have seen some

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. > > I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente > to retain the socket. > > -- > atp It has

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente to retain the socket. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
seconds? > >> Obviously the tool would drop out. But does anything else unscrew or > >> require manual operations to put back? > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: John Figie [mailto:zephyr9...@gmail.com] > >> >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
zephyr9...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: November-22-21 2:30 PM >> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. >> > >> > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a spline >> > end

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
9...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-22-21 2:30 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > > > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a spline > > end like the ones that Kurt sells f

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 17:30:08 John Figie wrote: > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a > spline end like the ones that Kurt sells for their power drawbar. My > Bridgeport came with a Kurt power drawbar. I have had it since around > 2003. Still using the same

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
ephyr9...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21 2:30 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a spline > end like the ones that Kurt sells for their power drawbar. My Bridgeport

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 16:35:37 John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Mathew, > I want to be able to swap easily and quickly between R8 and TTS. > Here's a selection of some of the tooling. > > http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/ToolSelection.jpg > I've quite a bit more than that John but not the variety.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
deep socket. > > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matthew Herd [mailto:herd.m...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-22-21 10:49 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
5/8" chuck holding a 1" reduced shank drill bit. First step now is to wait for the 12 point deep socket. John > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Herd [mailto:herd.m...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21 10:49 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject:

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Matthew Herd
rdening steel and hardening the head a bit so it > doesn't get carved away and ends up more slippery might also be a requirement. > > John > > >> -Original Message- >> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] >> Sent: November-22-21 5:41 AM >>

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
get carved away and ends up more slippery might also be a requirement. John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21 5:41 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Can you backdrive the impact wrench? Keep it engaged? > At the moment the loudest part of my system is the splined spindle shaft rattling in the splined pulley drive. Especially with light cuts or not engaged. Really quite annoying. Once

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
el.net] > Sent: November-22-21 7:06 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > On Monday 22 November 2021 07:01:27 Roland Jollivet wrote: > > > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, > >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
r-22-21 4:15 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > What about a custom draw bar with an Andy Pugh style air cylinder release? > Seems simpler to engineer the mechanism than do all > this control. Just have a drawba

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Sam Sokolik
> I never thought I'd have this much trouble... > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roland Jollivet [mailto:roland.jolli...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-22-21 4:01 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-users] Spindle positionin

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
e Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, up or > down. No need to force it down. > So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let the > nut slip over. > And

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 07:01:27 Roland Jollivet wrote: > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, > up or down. No need to force it down. > So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let > the nut slip over. > And have a switch on driver Z to

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 08:03, John Dammeyer wrote: > One still has to line up the socket to the hex head of the drawbar. And > since it can be at any position relative to the spindle the sensing has to > happen against the hex head. Rotate spindle until hex head is at a known > position.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Matthew Herd
What about a custom draw bar with an Andy Pugh style air cylinder release? Seems simpler to engineer the mechanism than do all this control. Just have a drawbar that’s normally retracted with a flange. Engage the flange with a mechanism on an air cylinder to release.

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Roland Jollivet
You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, up or down. No need to force it down. So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let the nut slip over. And have a switch on driver Z to know if it's down over the nut. You could also stop the spindle and

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 02:48:36 John Dammeyer wrote: > > I assume you have a similar, fixed position spindle lock? I had to > > make mine. > > Nope. As a friend said the other day when I asked if he'd found a > lock on his... "I use a big hammer on the supplied wrench to tighten > or loosen

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: dave engvall [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > On 11/21/21 9:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Is there a way to tell the spindle to turn until it finds the index and > > stop so it's always stopping at the exact same spot? Like > decelerate to 0.5 rev per second (30 RPM) or slower and

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread John Dammeyer
> I assume you have a similar, fixed position spindle lock? I had to make > mine. Nope. As a friend said the other day when I asked if he'd found a lock on his... "I use a big hammer on the supplied wrench to tighten or loosen it". He's since carved a 3/4" hex head on his and is now using his

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread dave engvall
On 11/21/21 9:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: I'm running my AC Servo spindle motor as step/dir and can easily tell LCNC to do 1 RPM. I also have the quadrature encoder on it so I can do power tapping. The drive is through the MESA 7i92H as one of the stepper channels as is the encoder

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 00:24:40 John Dammeyer wrote: > I'm running my AC Servo spindle motor as step/dir and can easily tell > LCNC to do 1 RPM. I also have the quadrature encoder on it so I can > do power tapping. The drive is through the MESA 7i92H as one of the > stepper channels as is

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread John Dammeyer
I'm running my AC Servo spindle motor as step/dir and can easily tell LCNC to do 1 RPM. I also have the quadrature encoder on it so I can do power tapping. The drive is through the MESA 7i92H as one of the stepper channels as is the encoder signals. Is there a way to tell the spindle to

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-23 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Well, i think i will improve my pid to make it more accurate and then continue with the tests. About the range of the angular axis, if i use the index-enable pulse of the mesa 5i20 encoder module (wich says that the position is reset to zero when an index pulse has ocurred) for reset the counter

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-22 Thread robert
Well the thing that comes to my mind is to make something in hal and use the index pulse to reset the C axis to zero everytime the pulse is activated. So the axis count will go from 0 to 360 degree and then start all over again from 0. Well it's just an approach to what i'm trying to do, i

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-22 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I haven't tried the ss-wrapped-rotary branch yet but I will shortly. It may do what you want in keeping the numbers between 0 - 360. That is the specific purpose for it. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:55 AM, robert rob...@innovative-rc.com wrote: Well the thing that comes to my mind is to make

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-21 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello guys thanks for the attention, I'm making tests with a telemecanique VFD that has the +/- 10 volt analog input (as far as i know is a vectorial vfd but i don't know if it's the same as a flux-vector), i tried both using as a spindle and as an axis, and worked ok... i didn't tune quite well

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-20 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello guys, i've already asked something similar in the forum but this is a simpler.. I read about the retrofit of the mazak that some of the guys made, and i'm making tests with an AC motor with a vfd and an encoder.. So i was wondering if i can make the spindle turn and stop in a given angle?

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-20 Thread Jon Elson
Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: So i was wondering if i can make the spindle turn and stop in a given angle? It would be could if i can make the spindle turn degree by degree, but i don't see a gcode to do that. Some machines need to orient the spindle so that a tool changer can correctly

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-20 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, i've already asked something similar in the forum but this is a simpler.. I read about the retrofit of the mazak that some of the guys made, and i'm making tests with an AC motor with a vfd