Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 2:35:25 PM EST Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, gene heskett wrote: > > Perhaps, Peter or Chris, a post describing what that filter CAN do is in > > order. I've looked at its man page but if there was a useful function > > there I didn't trigger on it. > >

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, gene heskett wrote: Perhaps, Peter or Chris, a post describing what that filter CAN do is in order. I've looked at its man page but if there was a useful function there I didn't trigger on it. And here, the web links are inactive plus it doesn't copy/paste. Is that

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread gene heskett
; > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo. > > > > this robot that loads pencil leads it really just a software testing > > device. A research tool. What is new h

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, Chris Albertson wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:38:46 -0800 From: Chris Albertson Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo. this rob

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-05 Thread Chris Albertson
this robot that loads pencil leads it really just a software testing device. A research tool. What is new here s not the idea too use two sensors but 1) use a predictive model that says how the system will flex in the future in s given acceleration is apllied. 2) collect data while the

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-04 Thread dave engvall
Hi, I ran across an article by one of the servo drive firms that said the using two sensors/axis improved motion. I think they used a resolver on the drive and an encoder on the ball screw. While this improves motion that assumes you have very good ball screws. I think that a better approach

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:45:13 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think it is just easy to have 2 pid's and sum them.. (one on the motor > encoder with P,D and feed forward - the other with scales and the I term) > Then you are not re-writing the pid component for some odd corner case. > > sam

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
uble nut ACME. > > > > Now for a robot arm that does pick and place of work "on to"/"off of" the > > mill or a conveyor belt maybe it's not an issue? > > John > > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
ling cutter > > > > pulling or pushing the table under heavy cuts. > > > > > > > > The only real solution is ball screws or double nut ACME. > > > > > > > > Now for a robot arm that does pick and place of work "on to"/&q

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread gene heskett
rk "on to"/"off of" > > > the > > > mill or a conveyor belt maybe it's not an issue? > > > John > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch..

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:00:54 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. > WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly > correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G did) > > sam This

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
> Now for a robot arm that does pick and place of work "on to"/"off of" the > > mill or a conveyor belt maybe it's not an issue? > > John > > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albe

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
or a conveyor belt maybe it's not an issue? > John > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: January-03-22 6:40 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-users] Very good softwar

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: January-03-22 6:40 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo. > > CNC is about precision motion control. Here is a new idea where this > builder gets 0.

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
This has been done at a bigger scale... (2 feedback loops) https://web.archive.org/web/20160222165548/http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Combining_Two_Feedback_Devices_On_One_Axis On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 8:42 PM Chris

[Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
CNC is about precision motion control. Here is a new idea where this builder gets 0.05mm accuracy but uses hobby level R/C servo Not only that, but he connects three of these in series, one to the next to the next so all the backlashes and poor tolerances add together. Then he uses this to do