Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-26 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 01:51, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: > More modern cements originate from work by Aspdin (sp) from Leeds That appears to be the correct spelling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_cement -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-25 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Very true For the most part the knowledge was misplaced with the fall of said empire. For over a millennia after, lime mortars were the main “cement” but was not “hydraulic” (set under water) like the original Roman cement. Very important when building harbors. More modern cements originate

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-23 Thread Scott Harwell via Emc-users
Practical concrete was created by the Romans and in use from around 600BCE. Scott On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 05:37:46 PM CDT, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: Thanks Andy The articles I knew of were of much more recent vintage. This article confirms the design was originally for “shell”

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-23 Thread gene heskett
On 5/22/23 18:36, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: Thanks Andy The articles I knew of were of much more recent vintage. This article confirms the design was originally for “shell” lathes where they could manufacture a lathe in place and have it operational in 30ish days. I was surprised it was WW1 as

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-23 Thread Thomas J Powderly
Thx to all responses Andy the pdf was very interesting. bearings line jigged and clearances filled wit some babbet like material to assure allignment hmmm old school additive construction vs expected line boring i read it looking for how it was about casting stiffenss, but thanks for an

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-22 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Thanks Andy The articles I knew of were of much more recent vintage. This article confirms the design was originally for “shell” lathes where they could manufacture a lathe in place and have it operational in 30ish days. I was surprised it was WW1 as the cement technology at the time was

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 21 May 2023 at 23:57, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: > During ww2 they made lathes bodies out of concrete with imbedded steel > parts that were jigged in form or line bored for the spindle and tail > stock. More info here:

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-21 Thread John Dammeyer
ady strong. Perhaps a mix of glass fibre and granite would be the best. John -Original Message- From: BRIAN GLACKIN [mailto:glackin.br...@gmail.com] Sent: May 21, 2023 3:54 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness Epoxy is a bonding agent Fi

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-21 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Epoxy is a bonding agent Fiber (glass or otherwise) add cross linking in the resulting matrix. Thes two Used alone, the resulting composite will be weak. You need sized aggregate to make a much more rigid and robust structure. The epoxy is then strongest bonding all these parts together Sand

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-21 Thread gene heskett
On 5/21/23 05:00, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: lör 2023-05-20 klockan 23:28 +0700 skrev Thomas J Powderly: I saw an overarm router recently and wondered if a sewing machine frame was stiff. Compared to a desktop gantry mill. Gantry ought to be more stiff. That depends on the gantry, my

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-21 Thread gene heskett
On 5/21/23 02:56, marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 2023-05-21 03:43, Chris Albertson wrote: Even 3D-printed PLA plastic can be strong enough.  I have a 3D-printed CNC conversion of a harbor freight milling machine.  Normally they use metal parts for the motor mounts and such but

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-21 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
lör 2023-05-20 klockan 23:28 +0700 skrev Thomas J Powderly: > > I saw an overarm router recently > > and wondered if a sewing machine frame was stiff. > > Compared to a desktop gantry mill. Gantry ought to be more stiff. ___ Emc-users mailing list

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-21 Thread marcus . bowman
On 2023-05-21 03:43, Chris Albertson wrote: Even 3D-printed PLA plastic can be strong enough. I have a 3D-printed CNC conversion of a harbor freight milling machine. Normally they use metal parts for the motor mounts and such but PLA can be just as rigid if you make the parts thicker. Yes;

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread Chris Albertson
> On May 20, 2023, at 2:12 PM, marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk wrote: > > > Interesting idea, which makes a lot of sense. > So you would end up with a 'solid' epoxy/glass mix. What would its > performance be like compared to a heavy dense epoxy/stone mix? Glass and stone are not much

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Epoxy wouldn't be a good material for a long, unsupported beam like that, even if filled with glass fiber. A cast iron sewing machine arm isn't going to eventually sag under its own weight, though it may not be shaped to withstand horizontal bending and longitudinal twisting forces without some

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread marcus . bowman
On 2023-05-20 20:12, Chris Albertson wrote: If you are going to the trouble of filling a frame with epoxy then two things… 1) Why bother with the frame, just print a plastic mold and fill that. with epoxy. Then it will be the exact size and shape you need. Interesting idea, which makes a

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are going to the trouble of filling a frame with epoxy then two things… 1) Why bother with the frame, just print a plastic mold and fill that. with epoxy. Then it will be the exact size and shape you need. 2) Don’t use epoxy as it is not very stiff, Mix the epoxy with glass fiber

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread gene heskett
On 5/20/23 13:39, Chris Albertson wrote: I think there would be a huge variation. A cheap $100 consumer sewingmachine would not be at strong as an industrial sewing machine that sells for 20 times as much. One problem with many homemade gentry machines is that people us too-thin material

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
You'd need to get a frame casting, set up indicators, then do some pushing, twisting, and leaning on it to see how much it moves. What could stiffen it is filling all its internal space with epoxy. The upper casting from one of these

Re: [Emc-users] Sewing Machine Stiffness

2023-05-20 Thread Chris Albertson
I think there would be a huge variation. A cheap $100 consumer sewingmachine would not be at strong as an industrial sewing machine that sells for 20 times as much. One problem with many homemade gentry machines is that people us too-thin material for the base.If the gantry rails are