Re: [-empyre-] FW: VII Place and topos

2012-10-11 Thread Ana Valdés
I don't remember now if it was Hal Foster who wrote a book when he compared the cyberspace and the feelings experimented when people were navigating the early caves with gloves and helmets with the feelings and impressions experimented by the Christian mystics in the Middle Ages. He (I am not sure

Re: [-empyre-] VII: free speech and its ends

2012-10-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
What happens on email lists is performative on the level of the structure; with people leaving, the list can disappear. So you must have moderation. There's another list I know of, for example, that deals with suicidal people (the moderator actually killed himself - I'm not sure it's still

Re: [-empyre-] VII: free speech and its ends

2012-10-11 Thread Rob Myers
The state prosecuting people for what they post on Facebook is a matter of free speech. An admin banning someone who disrupts a mailing list is not. - Rob. ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre

Re: [-empyre-] performing in virtual

2012-10-11 Thread Yael G
I don’t trouble myself with a divide. it’s a very artificial way to look at what we naturally do awkwardly - communicate. It’s all real and unreal on various degree to me. Communication technology is just what it is - tech. Performance happens in a shared space, the shared space of the

Re: [-empyre-] VII: free speech and its ends

2012-10-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
in both cases, people feel their areas are their 'homes,' and that implies one might do what one wants. Fb is a corporate state; email lists are TAZ (temporary autonomous zones), very different, but people feel comfortable in both - Alan On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Rob Myers wrote: The state

Re: [-empyre-] performing in virtual, links

2012-10-11 Thread Yael G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX_xrIblAys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TOLaHeYWsYfeature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkg49R2q8sfeature=relmfu ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre

Re: [-empyre-] VII: free speech and its ends

2012-10-11 Thread Ana Valdés
The TAZ book is excellent, great writing and great thesis. Hakim Bey is one if the few netphilosophers going to survive the hype. Ana Skickat från min iPhone 11 okt 2012 kl. 15:48 skrev Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org: On 10/11/2012 06:38 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: in both cases, people feel

Re: [-empyre-] performing in virtual

2012-10-11 Thread Yael G
Well don't get me wrong. Audience is what makes a performance a performance the fact it is witnessed SL as an environment is quite aggressive. Sometimes it's like everyone around you shouts me me me at the same time. There is no barrier between performer and audience in Second Life They

Re: [-empyre-] performing in virtual

2012-10-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
In our culture, at least in the US, frontal male nudity is constantly censored; it's overdetermined in far too many directions. The aggression is definitely there, but actually, I've had more experience of kindness than anywhere else - from you, Liz, Jo, Garrett, Patrick, for example. It's

Re: [-empyre-] performing in virtual

2012-10-11 Thread Simon Biggs
No full frontal male nudity in the States? You poor things. You don't know what you are missing! Here in the UK we wallow in Offili's elephant poo and dance amongst diverse flying cocks - and that's just the politicians. best Simon On 11 Oct 2012, at 20:51, Alan Sondheim wrote: In our

Re: [-empyre-] FW: VII Place and topos

2012-10-11 Thread Jonathan Marshall
Hi Ana One of the things i've tired to work through, without any great success is the relationship between the virtual and magic and alchemy (which seem to shade into the religious). The connection seems marked in the use of terms whose power is marked but hard to hold, in struggles between

Re: [-empyre-] VII: free speech and its ends

2012-10-11 Thread Jonathan Marshall
What i think interests me about public and private divisions, and free and repressed speach is that they are often taken as binaries, while they are a continuum, and constantly argued over, and the powerful tend to determine what is what to an extent... but all is ultimately ambiguous. thus

Re: [-empyre-] performing in virtual, links

2012-10-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
I think that the three videos address some of the issues raised here; the first two seem to deal directly with pain and repressed memories - perhaps others might have some comments? - Alan On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Peter ciccariello wrote: Fascinating! On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Yael G

[-empyre-] IX Asence

2012-10-11 Thread Jonathan Marshall
IX One of the most obvious features of list life is the dialectic between presence and absence. Offline it is generally possible to tell whether a person is present or absent. Presence and status will be acknowledged by others making, eye contact, noises, gestures, or by their pointedly