Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I have been under the impression that violence has been decreasing, on average, over historical time, that is to say the proportion of people dying violently and being injured by violence has tended to decrease over time. I believe

Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/pound.jpg http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/asterisk.jpg?w=595 Part of my approach to making new sense of the universe involves indulging in

Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 06:49:08PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: The name ‘pound sign’ seems to be fairly mysterioushttp://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461. It does not seem to be related conclusively to either the English currency or the Avoirdupois weight. I always thought it was

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 12:40:43 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 28 October 2013 00:10, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:11:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread John Mikes
What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I consider it the explanation of certain phenomena (mostly with the help of math) at the level of knowledge AT such time of explanation. It was different in 2500 BC, in 1000

Neuroscientists discover new 'mini-neural computer' in the brain

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neuroscientists-mini-neural-brain.html Dendrites, the branch-like projections of neurons, were once thought to be passive wiring in the brain. But now researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have shown that these dendrites do more

Fwd: Vicarious AI breaks CAPTCHA ‘Turing test’

2013-10-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
-- Forwarded message -- From: richard ruquist yann...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:18 PM Subject: Vicarious AI breaks CAPTCHA ‘Turing test’ To: swi...@yahoogroups.com swi...@yahoogroups.com, yann...@gmail.com yann...@gmail.com Vicarious AI breaks CAPTCHA ‘Turing

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 12:31, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno Marchal via googlegroups.com 4:53 AM (2 hours ago) to everything-list On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:26, Richard Ruquist wrote: It is derived from PA both the universes and the Metaverse. How? Richard: I say how in the abstract of the

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-28 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I give the two definition of the pronouns used in the reasoning, and often confused by the use of an identical term in natural language, but clearly distinguishes in UDA step 2, and the next one. The 1-you, basically your

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/28 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I give the two definition of the pronouns used in the reasoning, and often confused by the use of an identical term in natural language, but clearly distinguishes in UDA step

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:12, John Mikes wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I think Stathis was referring to any third person describable lawful laws, not relying to actual infinities or magic.

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-28 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: I give the two definition of the pronouns used in the reasoning, and often confused by the use of an identical term in natural language, but clearly distinguishes in UDA step 2, and the next one. The 1-you, basically

Re: Neuroscientists discover new 'mini-neural computer' in the brain

2013-10-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 16:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neuroscientists-mini-neural-brain.html Dendrites, the branch-like projections of neurons, were once thought to be passive wiring in the brain. But now researchers at the University of North Carolina at

Re: Vicarious AI breaks CAPTCHA ‘Turing test’

2013-10-28 Thread spudboy100
Richard, its a step up, but its not a Turing Test. When it fools you into not knowing who you had a conversation with, especially, if you didn't know if a Turing challenge was being performed, then I'd say, yes. -Original Message- From: Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com To:

Re: Neuroscientists discover new 'mini-neural computer' in the brain

2013-10-28 Thread spudboy100
I read, somewhere, Professor Marchal, that it was the spindle cells in the brain that pushed the smarter creatures on this planet into high gear, so to speak, not so much glial, unless we are describing the same thing, primates, whales, dolphins, have spindle cells, and why this makes a

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:38:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:12, John Mikes wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I think Stathis was referring to any third person

Re: Neuroscientists discover new 'mini-neural computer' in the brain

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:53:02 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: I refer you to my rare posts where I suggest that the level is the molecular level, and should include the glial cells, which in my opinion (from diverse reading) handle to information. I also defend the idea that an

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that it is a necessary part of physics. Richard: You got it backwards. The CY Compact manifolds are the machine that computes because they are enumerable. It derives everything else. In particular the

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/28 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that it is a necessary part of physics. Richard: You got it backwards. The CY Compact manifolds are the machine that computes because they are

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
I would like to see a phase transition. But the buildup to reach the tipping point would still be incremental, which is what we are (apparently) seeing at present. Hopefully this is a sigmoidal curve... [image: Inline images 1] Once some bioterrorist creates a highly infectious retrovirus that

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread meekerdb
On 10/28/2013 3:44 PM, LizR wrote: I would like to see a phase transition. But the buildup to reach the tipping point would still be incremental, which is what we are (apparently) seeing at present. Hopefully this is a sigmoidal curve... Inline images 1 Once some bioterrorist creates a

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
You mean too nice, I assume :) That's debatable. For example, research shows that countries with negative population growth are ones that have taken equal rights for women seriously. So being nice to the female half of the population leads to less babies being born. Also, a lot of religious

Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
That article is written by an American, so I wouldn't expect him to know about the pound sign! (Also, I wouldn't think that American style keyboards are used worldwide with computers. They aren't used in the UK, or weren't last time I was there, and are most likely not used in countries where the

Re: Vicarious AI breaks CAPTCHA ‘Turing test’

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
Grrr. This means that a computer programme is better at passing the Turing test than I am. On 29 October 2013 07:10, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Richard, its a step up, but its not a Turing Test. When it fools you into not knowing who you had a conversation with, especially, if you didn't know

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I consider it the explanation of certain phenomena (mostly with the help of math) at the level of knowledge

RE: For John Clark

2013-10-28 Thread chris peck
Hi Jason Right but when you refer to the experience or chris peck's experiences, that is speaking in the third person. It should make no difference to your argument at all. In fact Bruno's step 3 is written in the third person too. You're confusing how the set up is described with what is

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 8:18:04 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I consider it the

RE: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it On Sunday,

RE: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
But we are also perfecting our tools of violence as well. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 5:07 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article On 10/27/2013

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-28 Thread Richard Ruquist
So matter is just maya-illusion. That is really religion- right? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/28 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Bruno: The fact that something is enumerable does not entail that you can derive it from PA, nor that

Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52:38PM +1300, LizR wrote: That article is written by an American, so I wouldn't expect him to know about the pound sign! (Also, I wouldn't think that American style keyboards are used worldwide with computers. They aren't used in the UK, or weren't last time I was

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
I know, I know. But there does seem to be a historical decline in violence, on average and over a long time, which I've heard about from various sources, the latest being Stephen Pinker. This is probably happening for a number of reasons. One is perhaps improved communications, but probably more

Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
Predominant I can believe. If there's one thing the Americans are good at, it's selling people stuff. On 29 October 2013 16:18, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52:38PM +1300, LizR wrote: That article is written by an American, so I wouldn't expect him

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:10:45 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Craig Weinberg *Sent:* Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:23 PM *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-28 Thread meekerdb
Perfecting may mean making them more precise so that we kill two people accidentally for every one we kill on purpose, instead of killing 20. Brent On 10/28/2013 7:11 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: But we are also perfecting our tools of violence as well.

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 29 October 2013 12:54, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, October 28, 2013 8:18:04 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to