Hey, thanks for the book recommendation guys!
Kim
On 20 Jul 2014, at 11:03 pm, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote:
Have you read Julian Jaynes The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of
the Bicameral Mind?
Great book! Even if they are impossible to verify in detail, Jaynes's
On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows you
to say I know?
I'm just guessing but maybe the Neocortex because it's the biggest anatomical
difference between a cat's brain and mine. But I
On 21 July 2014 17:52, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
But they cannot cancel to high precision if the symmetry is broken
I think this is something to do with their contributions to renormalising
(is that the word?) the Higgs mass. They can somehow bring it down from
around the Planck
On 22 July 2014 12:18, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
LizR,
I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI
multiverse within our universe that Bruno talks about.
The evidence for an MV is just evidence for universes outside of our
universe. It is not evidence
On 21 Jul 2014, at 01:33, Richard Ruquist wrote:
My only comment is that SUSY is associated with string theory, not MW.
String theory includes QFT as a low energy equivalent w/o SUSY
and QFT does not predict MW. But then I am just another dummie.
No problem Richard, the future belongs to the
On 21 Jul 2014, at 02:56, LizR wrote:
Thanks! I will perhaps have more to say / ask once I've looked at
those.
I will take a look on Jesse's references once I am less busy. I wait
for you making a good summary :)
(a priori, I see no relation between Suzy and MW).
Bruno
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You
I agree that it does not make any sense.
But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the
universe.
We now have two scientific definitions of multiverse and it is very
confusing.
Richard
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 22
On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:54 pm, Kim Jones, then Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that ants are conscious, for
example - but individuals may share in a group 'self'. Selfhood is
independent of minds or of contents of minds or the precision or
On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:14, Richard Ruquist wrote:
I agree that it does not make any sense.
But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within
the universe.
We now have two scientific definitions of multiverse and it is very
confusing.
Richard
Well Tegmark made an
On 22 Jul 2014, at 07:10, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 July 2014 10:18, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
LizR,
I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI
multiverse within our universe that Bruno talks about.
The evidence for an MV is just evidence for
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Craig,
You still talk like if I pretended that computationalism is true. I don't
do that, ever.
But you *do* pretend that computationalism
On 7/22/2014 12:08 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows
you to say
I know?
I'm just guessing but maybe the Neocortex because
Symmetry
Every proton contains one electron and two positrons. There is one electron
for each proton. There exists a relatively few free positrons and there is a
free electron to match each free positrons. Electrons and positrons are
created and destroyed only in pairs. So there is
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Are you saying that there is no consciousness without intelligence?
No, I'm saying there is no intelligence without consciousness. For all I
know rocks and cadavers are conscious even though they don't behave
PGC,
I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is
saying.
My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard
On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
PGC,
I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is
saying.
My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct.
Bruno's argument to me has been that comp is not correct in 1p. When I
On Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:26:13 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote:
A good thinking habit to cultivate is simplicity. Try and make it as
simple as you can.
Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
1. I know
2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering
I will send a longer comment. here are just some precision.
On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:54 pm, Kim Jones, then Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that ants are
conscious, for example - but individuals
Bruno and Kim:
what SELF would you consider in e.g. ants? if we realize the highly
merged (individualized?) *group-self* - the answer is different from taking
the present individual (simplified DOWN to functional minimum composition
units) *'ant'* and trying to assign a *'self*' to such
On 7/22/2014 11:57 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno and Kim:
what SELF would you consider in e.g. ants? if we realize the highly merged
(individualized?) */group-self/* - the answer is different from taking the present
individual (simplified DOWN to functional minimum composition units) *'ant'*
Brent - (see your old post below) - I am still perplexed after 6 months
where to find those geodesix with their curvatures called gravity. Must be
the idea of a guy with vivid imagination (and flexible math). Did you ever
SEE a black hole? with our DARK future in it?
I cannot even identify TIME
On 7/22/2014 1:41 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent - (see your old post below) - I am still perplexed after 6 months where to find
those geodesix with their curvatures called gravity.
Just throw a ball in the air and it will trace one out for you.
Must be the idea of a guy with vivid imagination
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On 7/22/2014 2:45 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Ant colonies are not hooked together by neurons passing electrons, but yhe are
integrated, by phermones, and behavior, such as rewards for retrieving food. Bees are
even more this way. So its a poor analogy comparing a human with a
I think I made a summary above of my initial reaction. But the reason I
asked the question is that I agree with you. And after reading a number of
comments, I still don't see any definite opposition here. I think the
opposition of ideas is between the fact that SUSY leaves more to be
discovered at
On 22 July 2014 23:19, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:14, Richard Ruquist wrote:
I agree that it does not make any sense.
But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the
universe.
We now have two scientific definitions of multiverse and
On 23 July 2014 05:15, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote:
Symmetry
Every proton contains one electron and two positrons. There is one
electron for each proton. There exists a relatively few free positrons
and there is a free electron to match each free positrons. Electrons and
Ant Hillary is (at least in DRH's fable) roughly comparable to a human
brain. Clearly the level of integration is (almost certainly) looser - our
neurons don't wander around, but maintain (more or less) fixed
relationships to each other, at least on the timescale of holding a
conversation (the
Tronnies do not form protons. Tronnies form only entrons (two tronnies),
electrons (three tronnies) and positrons (three tronnies).
Protons are comprised of a very high energy electron (comprised of an electron
and a neutrino entron) and two positrons plus about 15 gamma ray entrons.
On 23 July 2014 12:07, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote:
Tronnies do not form protons. Tronnies form only entrons (two tronnies),
electrons (three tronnies) and positrons (three tronnies).
Protons are comprised of a very high energy electron (comprised of an
electron and a
On 23 Jul 2014, at 4:38 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Is the following true:
Self-awareness = self-consciousness (?)
OK. Both involves the 1p. But the []p gives a notion of 3p self-awareness,
plausibly not conscious, like a machine which can assert simple (correct)
On 23 Jul 2014, at 9:19 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ant Hillary is (at least in DRH's fable) roughly comparable to a human brain.
Clearly the level of integration is (almost certainly) looser - our neurons
don't wander around, but maintain (more or less) fixed relationships to
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