Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Reports on anything, from telepathy, to precognition, to global warming/climate change, Y2K are STORIES, subject to verification with hard evidence and the scientific method. Lots of people have "premonitions" and beliefs they experience telepathy. The premonition hotlines have demonstrated

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/17/2019 3:38 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:06 PM 'Brent Meeker' > wrote: On 5/17/2019 4:56 AM, John Clark wrote: >> If you somehow knew for a fact a brilliant being was a zombie then you could immediately

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/17/2019 3:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/16/2019 11:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Philip Thrift

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

I would if they claimed they could breathe under water.  I'll leave it to you.  I suggested you name some of the books I'm looking at above my computer monitor.  But propose whatever you want. Brent On 5/17/2019 2:43 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: What do you mean "demonstrate

Re: Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ?

On 5/17/2019 2:25 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ? For example, hearing something and seeing something don't happen in 2 independent consciousnesses, but happen in only 1 consciousness. Also, split brain patients

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/17/2019 2:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:08 PM John Clark > wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: /> we need to demonstrate that the elbow isn't consciousness.

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Friday, May 17, 2019, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:37 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> I was referring to the reflexes of your arm, before any signal gets to >> your brain. So here we have both information processing (small number of >> bits) and intelligent behavior

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 5/17/2019 2:12 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Landing on the Moon is anecdotal, since is only reported by 3 people. Telepathies are reported by 7 billion people all the time, including me, so they are not anecdotal. Then it should be easy for you to demonstrate your

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:06 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: On 5/17/2019 4:56 AM, John Clark wrote: > >> >> If you somehow knew for a fact a brilliant being was a zombie then >> you could immediately make one conclusion about it, the being could NOT be >> the product

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/16/2019 11:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> *> Information processing absent actual

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:06:29 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/17/2019 4:56 AM, John Clark wrote: > > If you somehow knew for a fact a brilliant being was a zombie then you > could immediately make one conclusion about it, the being could NOT be the > product of Darwinian Evolution

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/16/2019 11:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: /> Information processing absent actual first-class entities of *qualia* (or experiences) can only

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/17/2019 4:56 AM, John Clark wrote: If you somehow knew for a fact a brilliant being was a zombie then you could immediately make one conclusion about it, the being could NOT be the product of Darwinian Evolution because Natural Selection can see intelligence but it can't see

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:12:24 PM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> >> *>>Landing on the Moon is anecdotal, since is only reported by 3 people. >> Telepathies are reported by 7 billion people all the

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Of course. Do you think that what they teach you at school is the truth ? History is invented by the winners. History is just an anecdotal story. On Saturday, 18 May 2019 00:22:28 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:12:24 PM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> Landing on

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

What do you mean "demonstrate it" ? Do you ask people to demonstrate to you that they are breathing ? On Saturday, 18 May 2019 00:41:30 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > Whereas if you say a phenomenon is real and common, but you're unwilling > to demonstrate it you are a charlatan. > > Brent > > On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Whereas if you say a phenomenon is real and common, but you're unwilling to demonstrate it you are a charlatan. Brent On 5/17/2019 8:30 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Stating the obvious is not insulting. If a phenomenon is real and you say is not, what else are you if not a

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> You said consciousness is how information feels to be processed. * >> > > Yes. > > >> *> What if that information is only 1 bit (like is my hand being burned >> or not)?* >> > > I can't

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> You said consciousness is how information feels to be processed. * > Yes. > *> What if that information is only 1 bit (like is my hand being burned or > not)?* > I can't speak with any authority about your hand but if it was my hand I

Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ?

Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ? For example, hearing something and seeing something don't happen in 2 independent consciousnesses, but happen in only 1 consciousness. Also, split brain patients show 2 different consciousness, for example one being theist, the

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/17/2019 5:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2019, at 01:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:12:24 PM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > Landing on the Moon is anecdotal, since is only reported by 3 people. > Telepathies are reported by 7 billion people all the time, including me, so > they are not anecdotal. They are like breathing. Everybody breaths. And if >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/17/2019 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2019, at 01:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Mathematical logic distinguish well the name of a thing and the thing itself. You confuse “0” and 0. Also, when you say that

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Landing on the Moon is anecdotal, since is only reported by 3 people. Telepathies are reported by 7 billion people all the time, including me, so they are not anecdotal. They are like breathing. Everybody breaths. And if you say you never had telepathies, you lie. On Friday, 17 May 2019

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/17/2019 7:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But imagine that you are sent, without knowing, in a virtual reality. Then, if it is rough, you will surely guess that you are in a virtual reality, like in a lucid dream, or like in a video game. This is incoherent.  If you are the series of

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/17/2019 7:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But then it seems the theory talks about "preserving consciousness", a first-person...what? perception that I'm me?  What perception could you have that told you your consciousness had changed or been lost? It is the difference between going out

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 5/17/2019 7:05 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Telepathy is not information transmission. Telepathy is consciousnesses unifications: 2 or more consciousnesses unify, they live a common experience, and then they split back apart, all remembering the shared experience. But

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/17/2019 7:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: No, with mechanism, mind supervenes locally on matter, but matter supervenes on the mind of all universal machines, which compete below our substitution level, and that explains directly the “many-world” appearances of matter and consciousness,

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:20 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:51:15 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/16/2019 11:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:42:41 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> But then "panpyschism" does no work.

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/17/2019 3:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It's a matter of equivocating on "the natural numbers".  If you regard them as a theory of things, the way you learn them at your mother's knee, then there are objective truths "Two garbanzo beans plus two chick peas make four beans." the way

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On 5/16/2019 11:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:42:41 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: But then "panpyschism" does no work.  It's just a hypothetical property of matter that says if some matter does information processing then that matter is conscious,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Complexity challenges us all, and the few are able to successfully rise to the challenge. For me, the mathematically gifted are indeed a successor species! -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Fri, May 17, 2019 8:34 am Subject: Re: My book "I Am" published

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Just because an article in a journal of APS, AAAS (both organizations of which I am a member), or Nature appears, doesn't mean the subject matter of the article is true. I had an EE educated father with a dozen patents that "believed" in psychic phenomena, and helping him investigate was very

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

A skeptic. On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:30 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Stating the obvious is not insulting. If a phenomenon is real and you say > is not, what else are you if not a irrational dogmatic believer in > materialism ? > > On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Stating the obvious is not insulting. If a phenomenon is real and you say is not, what else are you if not a irrational dogmatic believer in materialism ? On Friday, 17 May 2019 17:20:03 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > If there isn't a word for this, there should be, to name the situation >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:42 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Also in cases of telepathy and precognitions the "technology" and the > "motivation" existed at the moment of their occurrence. Actually, it seems > that the conditions required for paranormal phenomena

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 16 May 2019, at 03:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 11:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 May 2019, at 22:20, Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:08 AM Bruno Marchal >>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

If there isn't a word for this, there should be, to name the situation when someone makes some insulting claim that is best understood as a projection of one's own justified fear of how they're perceived. Trump does it all the time. On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 16 May 2019, at 03:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 11:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 May 2019, at 21:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/2019 4:50 AM,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Telepathy is not information transmission. Telepathy is consciousnesses unifications: 2 or more consciousnesses unify, they live a common experience, and then they split back apart, all remembering the shared experience. Personal experiences are all there is, since consciousness is all there

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 16 May 2019, at 01:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:53 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 14 May 2019, at 00:34, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> That may well be the case, but I fail to see the relevance of such an >>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 15 May 2019, at 15:15, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > As I pointed out earlier, quantum mechanics allows for a weak (or freak) > phenomenon of telepathy and/or precognition. > > But how weak is the thing. Telepathy would be easy to explain by the radio waves that people emits with their

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 6:57:35 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:51 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >> *> But what is information processing?* >> > > It is the process of extracting information from data, and information is > the resolution of uncertainty. And

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The first order theory of the real numbers does not require arithmetical >> realism, but the same theory + the trigonometrical

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 05:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > And why should I care what the Quran says? The neoplatonist reading of the Quran has lead to Enlightened Islam, which has lead to Averroes, and eventually European coming back to science (except for the missing

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 04:47, Samiya Illias wrote: > > The Quran presents a similar idea of one gigantic sky layered into seven > skies, each with its own laws/commands/affair. Please read excerpt below > > ... > Revisiting Surah alFussilat (Explained in Detail), we read: > > ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 17:41, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Some years ago, some astronomer or cosmologist introduced the idea of One > Gigantic Universe, but many, many, "domains," which, for me, is the same > thing as Everett's-Deutsch's-Tegmark's multiverses. I am not sure if

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 03:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 2:18 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 14 May 2019, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 11 May 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 01:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 01:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Mathematical logic distinguish well the name of a thing and the thing >> itself. You confuse “0” and 0. >> >> Also, when you say that something does not exist, you

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 01:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 8:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Nothing is wrong, except that you are using a different notion of "real". >> Integers are invented by humans, even though there is intersubjective >> agreement about

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:51 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > *> But what is information processing?* > It is the process of extracting information from data, and information is the resolution of uncertainty. And my unproven assumption (which will never be proven but is the only thing that prevents

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 16 May 2019, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 19:50, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 10:31:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > There is no settled "truth" in mathematics. > > For example (as Hamkins shows) the CH is true in one

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:15 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 15 May 2019, at 13:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> That is

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 16:26, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 13:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal > >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 08:28, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 7:29:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they are >> theorems derived from the axioms. >> >>

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 03:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch

Re: for Cosmin

"Matter" is an idea in consciousness. On Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:25:55 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But I say the old guys - Thales, Democritus, Epicurus - had more of the > right idea of *what matter is.* > > @philipthrift > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 02:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they are >> theorems derived from the axioms. >> >> This is false. In every consistent system of

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 01:14, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019, at 00:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: 3) Or maybe it's "what

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 15 May 2019, at 00:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM,

Re: for Cosmin

This might be of interest: Water & Earth On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:45 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:24:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 May 2019, at 20:24, Philip Thrift wrote: >>

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

Something that might be of interest: *On the Quest of Defining Consciousness* Ram Lakhan Pandey Vimal @rlpvimal - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233955238_On_the_Quest_of_Defining_Consciousness How terms consciousness, qualia etc. relate: -

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

Is not the nuts and seeds per se that keep a consciousness alive. Is what is behind their appearances. Whatever is there, we don't know. We don't know why consciousness needs to interact with other consciousnesses in order to maintain its existence in the current state. On Friday, 17 May 2019

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:45 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > See Donald Hoffman research. Evolution filters out truth. We don't live in > a "physical" world. We live in an evolutionary world. The world of qualia > we see around us is an

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

See Donald Hoffman research. Evolution filters out truth. We don't live in a "physical" world. We live in an evolutionary world. The world of qualia we see around us is an evolutionary world constructed by consciousness in order to keep itself alive. On Friday, 17 May 2019 04:00:03 UTC+3,

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

Brain itself is a virtual construct generated by consciousness. On Friday, 17 May 2019 02:17:15 UTC+3, smitra wrote: > > > We don't live in the real world, rather in the virtual world generated > by our brains. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:56:05 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > > There is plenty of evidence, informally known as "the unreasonable > effectiveness of math". > As *Max Tegmark* points out, all of our scientific theories (he was talking about physics, checked out on computers) do not need

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:56 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:17:59 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > if you think exhibiting reflexes is the critereon for consciousness, > consider the example of someone who has held their breath for fifteen > minutes. > > Brent > > A reflex (say in an elbow) might be considered an example of

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:17:15 PM UTC-5, smitra wrote: > > > We don't live in the real world, rather in the virtual world generated > by our brains. Illusions such as optical illusions: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpvDTWurwg > > auditory illusions such as McGurk effect: > >

Re: Precision

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:13:37 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 May 2019, at 03:07, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> > On

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:42:41 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > > But then "panpyschism" does no work. It's just a hypothetical property of > matter that says if some matter does information processing then that > matter is conscious, otherwise it's not. But that's already what >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact to prove: all computations are realised in all

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> Information processing absent actual first-class entities of qualia (or >> experiences) can only produce zombies. One needs information processing >> operating

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Thu, May 16, 2019, at 17:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/16/2019 6:29 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> You still need to explain why your elbow isn't conscious. >>> >>> Brent >> >> >> >> The elbow (the matter that is halfway down your arm between your shoulder >>