Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-05 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Monday, August 4, 2014 3:48:23 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 8/4/2014 12:48 PM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: Mother: In fact, I bet there's somewhere far, far away where you are a mermaid, too. And somewhere else, you're an intrepid scientist-athlete-princess-explorer adventuring among

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-04 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Daughter: Daddy, daddy! Why wasn't I born beautiful and lucky like Kim Kardashian? Father: What? Surely no daughter of mine would take Kim Kardashian as a role model! Mother: But darling - she does! All outcomes happen. Somewhere. Daughter: Does that mean I'm a Kardashian somewhere? Mother:

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-18 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:02:18 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: So often it becomes clear to me in debating the issues of consciousness that they are missing something which cannot be replaced by logic. The way that many people think, especially those who are very intelligent in math

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-26 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
I was going to say that 22 minutes is, suspiciously, the actual length of half-hour daytime TV in the U.S. once the commercials are removed. If you're judging us Americans based on our daytime TV, then indeed, it must appear there is no hope at all left for us. But since MIT doesn't have a

The Control Group is Out of Control

2014-06-09 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
I thought this blog post and the ensuing comments were a fascinating perspective on the increasing problem of medical science not replicating. The Control Group is Out of Control http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/28/the-control-group-is-out-of-control/ Trying to set up placebo science would be

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
It depends on what perspective you're coming from, probably. For folk like myself who were raised with an abusive religion and left it for generic humanism, I'd recommend against reading the Quran unless you have something happier to detox your mind with afterward. I first read the Quran a

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Yay! I'd be happy with a larger number of planets in our Solar System. Incidentally, since the current planet definition says that the object has to have cleared the other stuff from its orbit, that means that rogue planets aren't planets. :( And even less importantly, imagine a sci-fi story

Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-04-03 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
FWIW, on a flight this weekend I read a bit of Amoeba's Secret on my kindle while the stranger in the seat next to me was reading Tegmark's book. If plane rides didn't make me fall unconscious almost immediately, that might have been grounds for an interesting live discussion. :) On Thursday,

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-24 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, March 21, 2014 7:04:58 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 2:11:17 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42:13 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm not so much interested in defining CTM, as in exploding the assumptions from

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-24 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
He gives six evidences. First, he falls for quantum pseudoscience. Second, he says that he personally failed to make AI when he tried and incorrectly implies that difficulty means impossibility. Third, he brings up the hard problem and uses it to make an argument from ignorance. Fourth, he says

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:48:30 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42:13 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm not so much interested in defining CTM, as in exploding the assumptions from which CTM and other mechanistic, information-theoretical models of consciousness arise. OK. Would you mind defining which assumptions

Re: Tegmark and UDA

2014-03-21 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Others worth a look: http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.0589 Is Eternal Inflation Past-Eternal? And What if It Is? Susskind http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.0571 Eternal Inflation, past and future Aguirre -Gabe On Friday, March 21, 2014 2:14:41 PM UTC-5, ronaldheld wrote: Bruno, I have read several over the

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-20 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:25:44 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: But all the forms of language do share a common logical basis, according to many linguists. How is it relevant to the logic of a language

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-20 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: It formed increasingly high-level associations between bundles of sensory data, eventually also combining sounds and vocal behavior into those

Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered

2014-03-20 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: It looks like you have not yet grasped the UDA. My post was not about the UDA; your comments are appreciated but they miss the mark widely. -Gabe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered

2014-03-19 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
I think the argument usually goes like this: Suppose there's an infinite ensemble of the computations that include a mental state that remembers having been you as you are now. There are a lot of details needed to support such a mental state. Let's say it takes a minimum of N bits. Longer

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-19 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:24:33 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO... It took several minutes of Googling to find a plausible expansion of CTM, at http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computational-mind/ . I guess objectively that's hardly any work at

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-17 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:10:19 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2014, at 17:31, meekerdb wrote: On 3/16/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That's correct, but we assume usually classical quantum mechanics. Then, even if GR digitalizes the access to futures, it

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-12 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:38:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. Me too. But modern physics has a strong mathematical flavor, and consciousness seems more to be an immaterial belief or knowledge than something made of particles, so, if interested in the mind body problem, the

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-10 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:37:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: A couple other accounts of how things might be that I take seriously are (1) physicalism in the sense that arithmetical propositions might only be true when physically realized, No problem, and indeed this would make comp

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-10 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:08:14 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: That relativism argues against comp, and even implicitly against Church thesis. But my point is not that comp is true, just that with comp, the theory QM + comp is redundant, and we have to justify QM (at the least its

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-07 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:32:32 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Mar 2014, at 16:40, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: Did you mean to address me, or did you mean to address Chris? I don't object to any step in UDA. It seems internally consistent and plausible to me. I'm unsure what

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-07 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, March 7, 2014 10:59:06 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 17:05, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: An argument on its own merits is presumably either valid or invalid, and either sound or unsound. Regarding UDA's soundness: I have no problem saying Yes Doctor

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-06 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Mar 2014, at 18:45, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're looking at cases where

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-05 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%. binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375 binopdf(3,6,0.5)=0.3125 binopdf(4,8,0.5)=0.2374

Re: How would an Earth-Earth system evolve, different than the Earth-Moon

2014-02-23 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
IIUC, the Moon is tidally locked to the Earth because it was initially a bit molten and due to Earth's gravity was an elongated ball shape, not quite a sphere. Then it cooled down and solidified that way. The tug of gravity keeps the Moon's bulge pointed toward us, braking the rotation of

Re: Eidetic memory and the comp hypothesis

2014-02-06 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:32:51 PM UTC-6, Pierz wrote: The phenomenon of eidetic (photographic) memory is well established as a reality. ... Huh, are you sure? I remember always hearing that it was a myth. I didn't find anything which settles it conclusively in a brief search, but

Re: Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe

2014-01-30 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Good luck to Shu. I occasionally chat over dinner with a local professional physicist who disbelieves in the Big Bang. His alternative also stumbles over the CMB, though. I suspect that a good heuristic for inventing alternative theories is to not bother much to plumb their depths unless

Re: Would math make God obsolete ?

2014-01-27 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
FWIW, under the usual definitions, the rationals are enumerable and so are a smaller set than the reals. I'd suppose that if people can figure that out with our nifty fleshy brains, then a well-designed computer brain could, too. -Gabe On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:23:40 AM UTC-6, Brian

Re: The Singularity Institute Blog

2014-01-17 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, January 17, 2014 5:14:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: To be franc, I don't believe in super-intelligence. I do believe in super-competence, relative to some domain, but as I have explained from time to time, competence has a negative feedback on intelligence. Intelligence is a

Retiring the universe

2014-01-16 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
If any of you haven't seen it, you will likely be quite interesting the The Edge's list of responses to this year's question, What scientific idea is ready for retirement? Some of the answers are fascinating, some are absurd, and some are confusing. Take a look!

Re: Why our fine tuning and not some other?

2014-01-14 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
So you're assuming that nothing must mean non-existence? Why? In any case, Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist is really more of a slogan than an axiom, as we can't make deductions from it. While I'm quite sympathetic to Platonic-style ideas, I don't assume them

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:17:13 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2014 10:49 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: As you've explained it above your theory makes a rock just as conscious as a brain. I'm sure you must have a more

Re: Tegmark's New Book

2014-01-13 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:49:17 AM UTC-6, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Forget all other theories when you read mine and judge it only on its own merits... Don't shoehorn! FWIW, that's all well and good for mathematical and other formal theories. You've been insistent on not formalizing your

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-10 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: As you've explained it above your theory makes a rock just as conscious as a brain. I'm sure you must have a more subtle theory than that, so I'll ask you the same thing I asked Bruno, if I make a robot what do I have to do

The Origin of Physical Laws and Sensations

2014-01-05 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Hi Bruno ( all), I was trying to read through your paper The Origin of Physical Laws and Sensations, which I saw linked to in a conversation earlier. I started to get lost about page 13 of the PDF, and by page 17 I was too lost to profitably continue. Can you (or anyone) suggest, based on the

Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

2014-01-04 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
in a present moment and that present moment is the only possible basis for anything, including the differing clock times of relativity, to even take place. Edgar On Friday, January 3, 2014 12:23:52 PM UTC-5, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: Hi Edgar, That response does not at all address the contradiction

Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

2014-01-03 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
(I'm expanding on the comment by Jason.) The P-time notion, if it means anything at all timelike, says that there exists some uniquely correct ordering of events across space. Consider these events: Pam's 3rd birthday party and Sam's 4th birthday party The P-time notion says that either (A)

Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

2014-01-03 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
. Best, Edgar On Friday, January 3, 2014 10:31:59 AM UTC-5, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: (I'm expanding on the comment by Jason.) The P-time notion, if it means anything at all timelike, says that there exists some uniquely correct ordering of events across space. Consider these events: Pam's 3rd

Re: Why computer consciousness and artificial intelligence are impossible.

2013-11-26 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
So in the event that somebody actually does make AI, please recall this and consider your philosophical system to have been falsified. -Gabe On Monday, November 25, 2013 6:17:15 AM UTC-6, Roger Clough wrote: Why computer consciousness and artificial intelligence are impossible. Dr. Roger B

Re: Is Roger Clough an effect of global warming?

2013-11-26 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Is there another version of this list anywhere with a lower density of Cloughisms? On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:48:55 PM UTC-5, Pierz wrote: See here: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/the-rise-of-slime3a-jellyfish-and-algae-thrive-in-new-oceanic-/4838478 It seems

An old White Rabbit attempted solution - set to music

2013-10-18 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Greetings, I came here after reading and being intrigued by Russell Standish's book. I just thought I'd share one bit of fun before I go into lurker mode. It's a little ditty about Kant's philosophy. I remembered it after reading the book because it sounds very similar to some of the