Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Feb 2017, at 04:53, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/7/2017 9:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which is exactly why I'm explicit in defining what the theism is that I consider preposterous and what other god ideas I'm merely agnostic about. Then Bruno criticizes me for "supporting" the

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Feb 2017, at 04:02, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/7/2017 2:16 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Yes. The relation of mathematics to facts in the world is one of description. That a dx/dt = -x has a decaying exponential as a solution is not a fact about the world. As any engineer will tell you,

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Feb 2017, at 12:59, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Lol. There is no way to avoid the absolute since nothing can be based on nothing,. In this case you reify nothing, which is purely negative, as absence of anything,, and convert it to "something". And this something that you implicitly

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-08 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/8/2017 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Feb 2017, at 04:53, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/7/2017 9:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which is exactly why I'm explicit in defining what the theism is that I consider preposterous and what other god ideas I'm merely agnostic about. Then Bruno

Re: An invisible amoral mindless metaphorical form of arithmetic, aka "God"

2017-02-08 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>>>​ >>> from the third person points of view that he can have about himself, or >>> better himselves. >> >> > ​>> ​ >> No idea what that means, none whatsoever.​ > > > ​> ​ > It means that the guy can say to his friend:

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Lol. There is no way to avoid the absolute since nothing can be based on > nothing,. There is a difference between "the absolute" and "absolute belief". I believe in an ultimate reality, but I am not sure we can see

Re: An invisible amoral mindless metaphorical form of arithmetic, aka "God"

2017-02-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Feb 2017, at 03:11, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>​​>​ Abandon the assumption that "he" will have a unique successor because it's just not true anymore. ​> ​Right, from the third person points of view that he can have